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#254614 - 01/27/09 03:43 PM
Re: S900 man those drums sound live....
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15575
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Yamaha's vocal harmonizer has not changed since its inception. It has never been good, and even with lots of fine tuning, it is marginal at best. Fortunately, I, and many other performers, use vocal harmonies sparingly. When we use them, however, we like to hear something that is relatively close to the human voice. Consequently, I switched to a stand-alone harmonizer when the Digitech Midi Vocalist became available about a decade ago. I then graduated to the VR, and more recently the TC Helicon Harmony-M, all of which are superior to any oboard harmonizer I've heard on ANY brand of keyboard. Yamaha's vocal processor is quite good, and provides users with lots of neat options. It's the harmonizer that is quite poor.
For those that I emailed the style to, you will hear a tremendous difference between the retuned style and the factory default style. I wish there was a way to do this globally on the keyboard, but alas this is not the case at this time. I anticipate that in the next few years we will see software updates that will provide more latitude in this area, which for the most part will improve the overall sound of many styles. Until then, it's a matter of tuning the styles until you get the results you wish to hear, then saving them as custom styles.
Cheers,
Gary
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#254616 - 01/27/09 04:19 PM
Re: S900 man those drums sound live....
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki: It's kind of like admitting they don't need a quality arranger, either...
It's kinda like you putting words in my mouth, to be more accurate. I didn't say anything of the sort. Haven't you learned anything from that guy who gives those sermons at church ? Captain what’s-his-name? You really are violating your standards quicker than you can lower them. Whatever the Roland piano is used for does not have anything to do with the uneven notes...they are there...you know it because you have tried the notes I mentioned in a previous post. If you have any kind of ear, and you profess that you do, then you will admit there are uneven notes...different tones, and different decays. If you don't, that's okay...but you will still have to live with the results anyway, and every time you play you will hear them and know how right I am. Can the piano still be useful? Sure it can...lots of real pianos suffer from the same issues...unless the regulation and voicing are completely perfect. So keep defending if you like...I don't mind...it just keeps the topic out in the open where it will make other users try the same notes on their G70, and perhaps like you, they won't admit the discrepancies they hear, but my point will still be made regardless. Faults I may have...being wrong is not one of them. Ian
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#254619 - 01/28/09 02:34 AM
Re: S900 man those drums sound live....
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki: Actually, it's kind of tough to put words in your mouth, as stuffed with bullsh*t as it always is... but I can't argue with this... Truer words were never said Well Diki...it's just as I would expect from you...when you can't can't say anything clever or pertinent, you resort to profanity and personal insults. Needing to use profanity is a sign of a lack of self discipline...and spewing insults is basically a sign of low-self esteem. I hope you seek help for the above...and I wish you all the best in your recovery. Now, about the G-70's piano....you obviously have found out that I'm right, else wise, why would you become so defensive and angry...I'm sorry if my discovery hit a nerve, but this revelation was long overdue, and a nice counterpoint to your less than charming and unfounded remarks about other people's instruments. Now, you can take the discovery as a positive thing, and we can say Diki's piano has "character" because of it's defects, or you can continue with your profanity and insults and stay in your state of denial. It's up to you, son. Ian
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#254620 - 01/28/09 03:29 AM
Re: S900 man those drums sound live....
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki: BTW, I NEVER put any EQ on my G70's piano sound. Perfection can't BE improved. How many studio releases are the S900 piano sound heard on? Because you'll hear the FantomX/G70 piano on a TON of tracks on the radio... Well Diki, claiming something is "perfect" and "can't be improved" is just inviting a detailed inspection of said item, as everyone knows there is no such thing in reality. Putting EQ on a piano with uneven notes in the middle will not correct the problem, Diki...I'm surprised a studio rat like yourself doesn't know this fact. It's like having a mechanic who can't fix your brakes...so he makes your horn louder. You must remember...I did not say the piano sounded "bad"...just "uneven in the middle"...and since you claim that it is used on a lot of recordings, then it must be still useful. Imperfections give an instrument (or a person)"character". If you spent some of your valuable time investigating the middle range, you have already discovered I am right...and although you will come to the grim realization that the sound is not "perfect" (as you claim), you can find solace in that it is perfect for your needs....much like my S900 is perfect for mine. Ian Tip: Be suspicious if you discover that your car mechanic has clean fingernails.
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