Speechless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY

Well,
could see the same story in the news here earlier today,
and it confirms what we already knew:
There are more talentet people around then world than we happen know about,
and all are surely not youngsters.
GJ

Excellent! super song & vocal!
Don't judge a book by it's cover......
It's like I always say, the proof is in the pudding let your EARS be your judge.......talk is cheap.

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Beauty has many faces.

To quote another UK show title, Absolutely Fabulous! Some people are just born with it.

I know some people 'knock' shows like American Idol, but when you hear stories like this, I think it makes it all worthwhile ...

not to mention the fact that AI has launched the careers of several great talents ...
t.

tony...it wasn't American Idol.....rather "Britain Got Talent" another Simon Cowel production...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWNoiVrJDsE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DelJrP3P7tA&feature=related

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Donny ... I knew that ... I was saying shows "like" AI, which the British show is ('like' AI) ...
t.

Hopefully this has a different ending than the Paul Potts story line did...



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I have msn.com as my PC home page ... this story is now one of the lead stories on that page ...
and we saw it here first !!!
t.

all she needs now is an AUDYA ;-)

Why kill the story like ketron did

unfortunately it is highly unlikely that she will have any commercial success. Her voice is ok , definately not brilliant. She is getting all this attention because her voice does not match her image. that novelty will wear off very quickly. As unpleasant as it sounds the reality is that if she looked differently , noone would be talking about her or placing youtube links to her performance. I wish her well and i hope she enjoys her momemnts in the limelight. I just hope her head is screwed on right and does not get swept away with the present hysteria.

What do you mean, I don't think he has any problem!
At least nothing is said here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Potts

Shes already being singed with Simons BMG label.......

Susan Boyle is not just another Britain’s Got Talent contender, she surprised the talent contest’s judges including Simon Cowell and the millions of viewers throughout the world.

One look and you will know that Susan Boyle has a disability. But that didn’t stop her to show off her talent and to the surprise of many Britain’s Got Talent fans, what she have is something far from the ordinary.

Susan Boyle is now a web phenomenon after she sang I Dreamed a Dream” from Les Miserables. Susan Boyle’s brought the live audience to their feet and awed the judges.

Backstage, Susan revealed in an interview that she’s never been kissed and lives alone with her cat, Pebbles, plain facts that many compared her to William Hung of American Idol, but clearly, she got real talent.

After the performance which you can watch thru the video below, Susan met with Sony BMG label which means that something great is coming for her.

This section:

"... there was some controversy[14]as to the "undiscovered" nature of Potts' talent. He was portrayed on the show as simply a mobile-phone salesman, whereas he had in fact appeared in six amateur opera productions and in a concert for the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra[8] and had plans for a summer tour with that orchestra.[8] Potts responded to his critics saying that he had not claimed to be completely untutored, that he had never performed any concert for pay and was therefore amateur and that the lessons he had received in Italy had been paid for from his own savings.[15]"

A big part of his charm was his being a cell phone salesman, coming out of nowhere...Well, it really wasn't as it was portrayed, was it?



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A comment on ‘Susan Boyal’ out of over 52,000 on you tube by
tuckersgrl

From the very 1st. word that came out of her mouth, I could c the beauty inside of her. Now when I listen2 her sing, my heart fills up with such emotion, both happy and sadness. Happiness Bcuz her dream has finally come true & sadness because of how we treat people. It seems that if someone is not beautiful, on the outside, we fail 2 c the beauty on the N side. Susan, U R a true gift from God. May he continue 2 bless U with lots of success,
I could not have put it better.
Fred Wren

Well said Fred.....
Susan is truly blessed....
I was moved by her performance myself.
"never judge a book by its cover!"

yes I understand that, but it isn't like he was already a "professional" artist or anything. If any of us here in SZ sings that good, and gets "discovered" by a show like that, the fact that we have played in front of audiences, does not - in my book- show that we don't have talent or we shouldn't be included. It only shows that we couldn't make that talent known to the world (and to our pockets as well).

The fact that there was no acknowledgment of his previous singing with the opera companies, IMO was really deceptive.

Here's this humpty/dumpty looking guy, who's a cell phone salesman, who loves to sing...and whooooaaaaa, wow! Where did that voice come from?

It was packaged to sound like it was some dude in his bedroom, which it clearly wasn't. The people watching that tv show, were duped, IMO...

Paul Potts is the product of clever product positioning and marketing. (I have a degree in marketing, as well as music and this could be a case study for clever marketing...)

That said, he took the ball and ran with it, for which I give him all the credit in the world.


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http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr14/0,4670,EUBritainSingingSensation,00.html


Fox news today..........

I don't think so. People WANT her to succeed. People WILL support her. She will earn enough to make a decent lifestyle for herself. She is a world phenomenon. Yeah she will eventually fade from view but not before she earns a little pile of money. People have parlayed a lot less into a lot more.

Yeah her looks HELPED her. Her back story helped her...Looks help GOOD looking people too...Look are important either good or bad.

I would not discount the underdog....ever.

Being signed to a record label does not mean that you will be commercially successful !

Remember these household names

Steve Brookstein (signed by Sony BMG)?
Shayne Ward ( signed by RCA Label Group then signed by guess who ? SONY BMG)

No ???? They were both previous X factor winners (similar to American Idol)

They had practically no commercial success despite winning the competition in their respective years. They could not even achieve "one Hit Wonder" status.....

How about Michelle McManus ? she was a Pop Idol winner . She was accliamed because she weighed about 300lbs but could sing like a bird.....however was a complete flop commercially. The record company couldnt even give her CD's away. Guess who she was signed by .....yep Sony BMG....

I am not trying to rain on Ms Boyles parade. I wish her luck . But her talent is average when looking at singers in this field . What she has is one trick. And it will wear thin very quickly once the hysteria has died away. I am not trying to offend anyone. Just calling it as i see it.




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lets talk about her again in 6 months

In 6 months she will definitly be a very rich woman.

perhaps but not from record sales :-) I like sparring with you DNJ but i will let this one rest

Thursday, 25 September 2008
Paul Potts has forked out a whopping £450,000 on a new five bedroom house.
The property is on a hill in the village of Baglan, south Wales, near his current £110,000 terraced home in Port Talbot.
The Britain's Got Talent winner, 37, will move into the luxury pad with Julie-Ann.
The opera singer scooped £100,000 and signed a £1million record contract when he won the ITV show in June 2007

He must be crying all the way to the bank
Fred Wren

And i wish him and Mrs Boyle well genuinely.

As much as I would like to, I don't think Ms Boyle will achieve superstardom. You need all the package for that and she does not have the looks and the age for that IMHO.

But as stated she is unemployed, and there are difficult times. I wish her talent provides her with a steady job and good enough income, from now till her last days. That would be really wonderful.

She won;t archive super stardom for her voice and presence but she will not need to work a common job ever gain...Bet on it. And she will parley the tens of millions who have seen her into a mountain of cash.....

No one has ever won over so many people in a audition to get on the show!!! LOL She's already won whether she makes it to the end or not...She is a winner. A huge worldwide winner. Bob Dylan is ugly and cannot sing a note......He is a created "legend"

And don't forget Tiny Tim

Eddie

OH! How I wish I could

Looks like Susan has been doing this quite a while
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/videogaga/16130/susan-boyle-hype-revitalizes-10-year-old-cover/

While pretty good at an amateur level, I'm sorry, but her voice didn't strike me as pro in any sense of the word. The vibrato was too forced, dynamics uneven to be honest, a pale shadow of how professional Paul Potts sounded. Does anyone think she deserves to share a stage with the likes of Celine Dion, Sarah Brightman etc.?

As for getting signed by BMG, is there anyone that doesn't see this as Simon Cowell's way of making quick cash from the flash in the pan sensations his show generates? Sorry, guys, this is nice, but I don't see anything more significant than 'She-Bang' in a dress...

Diki

Negative as usual...are you saying a CD of well produced songs like this would not be a hit ? bet it would sell a bit better than yours...lol

http://www.inquisitr.com/22139/susan-boyle-cry-me-a-river-audio/http://www.inquisitr.com/22139/susan-boyle-cry-me-a-river-audio/

Does it really matter what a DIKI thinks of her her? Really? LOL

She is enjoying her lifelong dream. She and Simon and others will make money....People loved her and apparently are smitten by her.......Everyone wins.

I don't see the issue except from the perspective of "bitter" musicians who feel far more deserving yet passed by perhaps.

Joe Cocker doesn't have a great voice technically and is not exactly Brad Pitt,
There are thousands of success stories who but for a stroke of luck and perseverance have Berkley music college professors and the rest of the "musical elite" scratching their heads...LOL

KUDOS to MS Boyle...she gives hope to all who "Dream a Dream" without a face, without the perfect voice, just moxie and confidence...I applaud her and will buy anything she releases in support..if only because it bothers the "musical elite" who will study her, make excuses for her success and simply dismiss her.......if only because it diminishes their own grand sense of accomplishment. Isn't ART grand?

A R T...no right no wrong. it is what it is,,,


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I agree with others. I think she has a very good voice but not outstanding. I agree with whoever said her vibrato seems forced at times. However, I was very moved by her performance. Which was because the voice certainly did not fit her appearance and she IS good. Just not world-class.

She will make a lot of money this year and I think that is fabulous. She will definitely have her day in the sun. She seems a cool lady!

Hi Donny,
This is the second time you have directed me to some enjoyable entertainment.
Joe Lee sent me the discs of the Shreveport Jam, great playing, great singing, great entertainment.
I don’t need perfection, just entertainment that makes me feel good.
I have downloaded both of Susan Boyle’s songs, to add to my collection of
never ending musical experiences.
I try not to judge, but just enjoy the moment.
Thanks Donny.
Fred Wren

Fred your very welcome, I'm glad your enjoying it also just like I did.

take care

dp

Spalding, Diki, Semilive music...

You're more right with your spiel than others here.

There’s more to being a star than just singing a good song. Many factors come into play. I’ve backed up many a singer over the years. In the early days, I was amazed at the many who could come up and sound like superstars. Now, that I’ve been around the block a few times, I realize that’s ALL they had was a good voice. No timing, no phrasing (a la Frank Sinatra), no ability to remember words, no connection with an audience, sometimes no personality, and sometimes only able to sing ONE song really good…and the list goes on.

That’s the first thing I noticed about the lady was too much vibrato in the voice. When I was studying singing, my teacher used to point that out in opera singers. Many had “vibrato” they couldn’t control. Pretty in the beginning but it begins to get tiresome.

Her breathing was not correct enough to really belt out a song like Shirley Bassey. She had no breath control…the most important thing in proper vocalizing.

She also couldn't hit the low notes of that song. I’m not sure how much of a singing range she has.

She had absolutely no stage presence. Something like that you either have it or you don't. An audience can tell when one is "groomed" for the stage or is a natural. Al Jolson was a great example of stage presence.

I read the article on her in the paper today. She was “purposely attired in a frumpy dress." Now why would that be? Of course, to make for ultimate impact. Make her look one way, and let her sing the opposite. Now the money machine will move in and capitalize on their latest gimmick.

Watching the Youtube video, I believe the whole thing was faked from start to finish. They knew when to display Simon's pre-planned "surprise" expressions on his face (and the other judge's). They made it into a mini-documentary to use to leverage her into temporary big time.

There’s one more thing to be said here. She’s good, but not great. Yet, listeners are falling all over her. Years ago, she wouldn’t have even made a dent on the music scene with the many heavyweight female vocalists on the market at the time Shirley Bassey, Whitney Houston, Barbra Streisand, etc). This proves how bad today’s entertainment scene is. This lady who couldn’t hold a candle to the great ones of yesterday, is presently being hailed as the next Messiah!

Still, as others have said here, I wish her the best. She appears to be a sweet lady who didn’t ask for anything more than to sing a song on stage and dedicate it to her dead mother. She’ll have her 15 minutes (and more) of fame, make some bucks and go back home as a celebrity...and probably finally get kissed! But, it appears to me, it couldn’t have happened to a more genuine and humble person.

Again, I DO wish her the best

Lucky




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I cant to buy her first CD should be a big hit for sure!

Can anyone remember such a dramatic and instant worldwide rise to fame ever before? for all her excess vibrato and lack of stage presence she has something in her voice and demeanor that has touched people worldwide! over 30.000.000 people have watched the videos on Youtube now that is never been seen before...there are always going to be the 'negativity merchants' but I would suggest you wait until the first much demanded profesionally produced recordings come available before picking holes in her abilities ok.

I think Boyle is very close to pro,but i have to agree,to much vocal vibrato going on,it gets old quickly for me.BUT she blew the panties off all other Britian wanna be's for me.I think her being numb to the inital public mockery reveals a lot of something she has attained over the years that is most definatly a total needed ingrediant to the music bizz.I mean there's just NO 'deer in the headlights'look of insecurity residing in her.But alas, a couple of steps&levels below the great miss Sara Brightman!However as for celine dion, she is on the same sharing stage with.Celion is painfully average for a pro.( Celion's my heart will go on is her only best for me,but even that is old and hard to live through lo this many repetative years now.She WILL follow the same exact level that,that guy who was discovered on the Oprah show some years ago(forgot his name though). But i must say Susan Boyle's voice slid from octave to octave beautifully!But Boo to the over did modulation on Larry King.


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That guy was Josh Groban...

Its unlikely this woman will remotely approach Groban's success...

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Look, I don't wish her anything but all the success in the world... and I'm sorry, oh mighty King, but bitterness has nothing to do with frank appraisal. To attempt to denigrate any negative commentary is the hight of arrogance. If YOU can't see past how contrived this whole thing was, maybe you've been on the wannabe circuit (oops, I meant celebrity impersonator circuit! ) too long.

American Idol, and it's European counterparts is ALL about contrivance. Is there anyone out there that doesn't feel the whole thing was manufactured? This is entertainment, disguising itself as revelation. Who has bought Paul Potts' CD? Didn't think so. When it comes down to making a REAL impact on the entertainment industry, you have to be the total package. Or some of us here would be in the big time now. Like Kingfrog, for example.

I hope she enjoys her moment in the sun, all the best to her. I hope that she makes the most of it, grabs as much loot as she can make, and is frugal with it. Because I wonder how much Huang is making per shopping mall opening he does, these days? 'She Bang, She Bang... She Saves at Wal-Mart!'

The Cult of Personality has rarely transformed into lasting success. Tiny Tim nonetheless...

For God's sake, you are comparing an amateur, incomplete singer with the likes of Whitney Houston and Sarah Brightman, and yet you manage to have a straight face?

And to be exact, you are comparing what Sarah Brightman and Whitney Houston are NOW, with someone who did not have the extensive (and expensive) coaching of the aforementioned two?

Sarah Brightman was married to Andrew Lloyd Webber, and the "Christine" role for the Phantom of the Opera was written EXCLUSIVELY for her voice! Imagine the training and the experience she had! I also would sound better if I was Andrew Lloyd Webber's wife for many years, and I am a 37 year old MAN!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Brightman#Music_and_voice

And what if your cousin was Dionne Warwick and your godmother was THE Aretha Franklin? And you are talented? Would you become a shoe salesman? No, you would become Whitney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Houston

I think Diki and I are singing the same song for a change, lol...

She's a nice story...

She's probably a nice lady...

IMO, she is being used, mostly wittingly and should have the time of her life for a few months, maybe a few years.

Vocally, there's not much subtlety to her voice, her beginning/ending tone generations are crude at best and other than having a nice tone on the longer held notes, (which she can muscle up on) the rest of her appeal is in the very odd packaging of this voice.

These shows/contests seem rude to me and as many people are laughing at her as are laughing with her.

In ten or fifteen years time, it would be interesting to see if she A) Has good memories of this part of her life and B) Would she do it again?

Hopefully, things don't turn cruel for her...She seems to have a pretty piss & vinegar personality-which should help her...




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http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/09/18/idol_contract/index.html
http://legalcareers.about.com/b/2008/05/23/american-idols-recording-contract-is-david-cooked.htm

It's an old story, but still relevant. Don't believe for one minute that the bottom line of the show's creators isn't what is firmly on their minds.

Thanks DNJ. Now that is honest to goodness knock em dead talent and his young age is just a bonus !!! No disrespect to Mrs Boyle.

Diki, why are you so full of yourself? What is it about you and your talent that puts you in the critics seat? Don't forget although you can play keys you still use an arranger in your show. If I recall one of the show's judges really had some negative comments on arrangers. Please tell us why you don't audtion for American Idol or America's Got Talent. Also what do you have in the talent department that we should be impressed with?

T

Is there something just plain topsy-turvey about being somehow upset about me being critical about something, and expressing it by criticizing me?!

Does the concept of NOT criticizing people only not apply to YOU? Oh, I see... it's just OTHER people's criticism that rankles, eh...?

Oh, and of course, why single ME out for this diatribe? Seems just about everyone has an OPINION on this thread. Having one makes you a critic, for good OR bad. Guess it's just plain fun to single me out, eh? Line up, folks... pay no attention to all the others behind the curtain. Cheap shots appreciated (helps sort out the thinkers from the reactors, I suppose ). Mind you, you could ask yourself what makes YOU so full of yourself to think you are in a position to attack me? What gives YOU the right, where's YOUR work, yada yada yada...? Oh well, that mote in your eye IS hard to see past, I guess.

Anyway, thanks for playing 'Insult Diki instead of discussing something rationally and politely'. It's this forum's favorite game... Any idiot can play (of COURSE, I wouldn't intimate for a moment that you are one, LOL, just those other idiots )

BTW, this has absolutely nothing to do with what I play (arranger is but one of the many things I play), how I use it (or how you use it, either ) or what Simon Cowell thinks about them. As you might have noticed, I really don't give a toss about what he thinks about ANYTHING... and neither should you.

Make your OWN mind up about things, and post it here. Of course, be prepared to be personally insulted for it.

I am... just don't expect me to take it silently

NONE of those people had now well over 20 MILLION see their performances, none of those people had the "back story" MS Boyle has, None of those people captured the "everydayman" None of those people appeared on all the morning shows...None of those people achieved WORLDWIDE attention during a simple "audition" LOL

In essence..None of those people were a "phenomenom"..


She may not have lasting success but she will never have to work again doing something she does not want to do...bank on it.


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It's pretty obvious he doesn't understand the difference between stardom and or musical success and musicinaship and/or talent...They are mutually exclusive terms

Ms. Boyle is nothing short of a worldwide phenomenon , She has already "made it" The argument is SUSTAINING power....That remains to be seen.

To take issue with technicalities of her "vibrato" is foolish....There is no two major singers with the same exact vibrato...LOL Some people loved Judy Garland and you could throw basketballs between her vibrato...

Boo friggin Hooo....
Someone should have another listen to Ms Boyles "CRY ME A RIVER"...LOL
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/videogaga/16130/susan-boyle-hype-revitalizes- 10-year-old-cover/

Or Sing it...yeah sing your post....Lets hear YOUR rendition.....with music this time

.



[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 04-20-2009).]

one, two, cha, cha, cha

Diki....I've noticed a common denominator not only in the SZ but in other Internet music forums. Those who are quick to take you apart seem to be the wannabee's...the non-players. I try to remember that when I'm a target myself...it takes the sting out of it.

Lucky

Oh, and of course, why single ME out for this diatribe?


The way I see it Diki...you've upset and angered so many people in the past that nobody respects you anymore even when you say some positive occasionally, sure your an inteligent and knowlegable individual, perhaps not so good with 'people skills' though.

Oh, and of course, why single ME out for this diatribe?


The way I see it Diki...you've upset and angered so many people in the past that nobody respects you anymore even when you say some positive occasionally, sure your an inteligent and knowlegable individual, perhaps not so good with 'people skills' though.

Diki I singled you out because you have a knack at being condescending and negative in your posts more than anyone and doing so in a very arrogant way. So far as I'm concerned I'm here to pick up helpful info. Sorry boss you just have a way of going up my backside sideways.

Just as I thought you probably wouldn't answer the questions.

This topic makes me think of the expression, "Most of us die with the music still inside us."

She certainly has courage, as well as a wonderful voice.

I think she exemplifies the wish inside most of us, that those around us could see and appreciate the real person inside, rather than be judged by our outward appearance.

Ian

I’ve been watching her name bandied about all over the networks these last few days. What a shame. They’re making a “circus act” out of her for the sake of “ratings!” At least she seems to be enjoying the ride.

Lucky

Yeah right and those same forums the "self proclaimed players" seem to be the most bitter at not having all that hard work recognized and very quick to dismiss anyone who did not agonize over Hanon or years of strenuous vocal training who achieves any modicum of success that surpasses theirs.
In fact more so. Elitism has it's supporters.

Have a look around. Seems to me a huge pool of the hugely successful in the music world spent more time singing, writing and playing rather than learning how to play, sing or write "correctly". The end user and supporter of their work doesn't care about how many years one studied, technicalities learned from or with the masters, only whether or not it's worthy of their dollars today. There are more Joe Cockers than Josh Grobans,More Greg Allmans than Keith Emersons.



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Kingfrog...

I've noticed something else. You seem, more times than not, to be ready to argue against anything that is said here in the SZ.

Did ANY of what I said resonate with you? You (and others here) are so intense on giving your own opinion about an issue, you don't actually hear and consider what someone else says!

Further, Diki may be very opinionated but I consider him to be a player at least. And I also consider him to be right on the mark with a lot of what he says. If he doesn't have bedside manners, as some of you have stated, so what? Is everyone that fragile inside we can't handle it? What this forum needs is another "earthquake" to stop the nitpicking and put things in perspective.

Awaiting your rebuttal to ME now! Go for it!

Lucky

King Frog i dont think we are on the same page. I was responding to the point that i think DNJ made that she was signed to a major recording label which implied her automatic success. I pointed out quite correctly that this means nothing. You cant possibly be saying thats not true can you ??? As for her appealing to everyday people i disagree. She is a curiosity . If thats an appeal to everyman then fine i wont argue.

Taylor Hicks who won a previous American idol appealed to the ordinary everyday man but it takes more than that to make it as a successful recording artist as he has unfortunately found.

As far as the 20 million hits on youtube there are some basic facts about human nature that i dont think you have taken into account.

1. Viewing content on Youtube is free and instant. People like free stuff.
2. Feeling sorry for someone, sympathising with someone, wishing them the best or simple curiosity like watching the bearded lady at the circus (but for free) does not necessarily translate into purchases

Like you i have run my own business and i have provided consultancy services to small and medium sized business. One basic myth is that if you talk to lots of people or lots of people come into your store and look at your goods that will translate into sales. Thats simply not true. If Mrs Boyle were paid for the amount of hits her talent generated on youtube then your argument is sound however i wonder how many hits she would have had if people had to pay to listen to her music ?

Look i wish her well and i have no doubt that the curiosity around her will be and is being exploited by someone sufficient to make her some money but her success will not be based upon her singing talent. She may be simply graetful for the attention she is getting but when the "one trick" phenonm has lost its flavour which it will very quickly what will she have left ? I very much doubt that the money is the driving factor for this lady.

I just don't know... I really wonder what the hell any of you actually read into what I say Seems to be far more interest in the subtext than the actual post itself. Surely that should be sufficient.

I am also amazed that somehow Kingy can manage to analyze me and conclude, from the fact that I can be quite critical of things, that my life is one of bitterness and regret. Well, Mr. Freud, have you considered the fact that most of YOUR posts are equally as critical, negative, generally FAR more insulting, and you have alienated many on this forum too. But, I guess, in YOUR case, this doesn't translate to a bitter and frustrated life...? Yeah, right!

For the record, my frustrated, musically impotent friend, I consider myself one of the luckiest on the planet. I have enjoyed making music as my career my entire life, still enjoy what I do enormously. I am MORE than content to be where I am, doing what I'm doing. Admittedly, that doesn't include working in a music store, and reminiscing about glory days as a 'celebrity impersonator', or churning out songs that I don't have the balls to post for peer review. But it's still pretty good, despite not having your great fortune and talent...

As for the rest of the feeding frenzy, if you need a 100% positive spin on everything to remain content in your lives, what can I say? Maybe a touch of reality wouldn't hurt nearly as much as you think. But if you remain firmly attached to your rose colored glasses, perhaps you cold start your own forum, and only allow sugary sweet 'happy thoughts' from all it's members..? I'm sure it will be riveting

Happy, happy, joy-joy to you all

Hey i too have diki-itis,i see absolutly
NO-thing offensive,objectionable or any other terms i may mess my freshly installed diapers over.I'll take TRUEness of Diki's thoughts,constructive critisms or what have you WAY over someone just tickling my or anothers ass.


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Its an odd place I find myself in but I wanted to write this yesterday and didn't get around to it.

I think the criticism of Diki in this entire thread is 1000% fabricated.

I think a few guys are going out of their way to pick a fight, where none really exists.

I have no beef with anyone involved in this thread and I'd say the same thing if it were Scott, Steve, Gary, Mikey or anyone else if they were going after someone.

This is BS of the highest order and you guys are all better than this.



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Yup of the highest order "fabrication" i smells too..

I appreciate all the support, but this 'baiting' has gone on for quite some considerable time...

Sadly, I am beginning to believe that perhaps these guys are NOT any better than this...

Time will tell.

I agree 1000%, Bill.

Ian

I think we are on the same page....She is a star by any stretch of the word; Whether sympathy, terrible vibrato, contrived "costume" great cutting of the You Tube Video for maximum effect....on and on..Her voice means little. The recording contract is real and I'm going to bet she has already had an agent who if he is worth his salt has received all of what he thinks he can get upfront.

Sustaining power is the key to ongoing success, Does she have that? I doubt it. But she doesn't NEED it. She has already accomplished what very very few do and at an age where even fewer do...In that regard alone she is remarkable.

Getting a recording contract is not what it used to be,,,....or never was really. No one gets the chances Billy Joel and the rest of his generation did. A few duds until a hit...
Today you HAVE to go platinum or even double Platinum to make any money....I'm betting MS Boyle will sell a million records easily. Her sophomore effort will be a lot tougher and I'm guessing she will not have sustaining power. But she doesn't need it.

I dont think any one doubts she is remarkable but a "Star" ???? A star for what ??? Certainly agents will exploit the current intersts in her but like you said records have to sell at platinum and double platinum to generate real success. Will her records sell platinum or double platinum ? The Britains Got Talent show has some weeks left to run. Her "one Trick " is enthralling the first time you see it because it is completely unexpected and thats what has caused the excitement right now. What about the second time, third time fourth time.....Tjhe shock/suurprise value is spent. I watched the youtube clip just once....that was enough for me.

Yeah I think she will sell a million pieces easily. tens of million were captured by her. I think 3% of all who saw her will buy a CD of her work....I really don't think thats a stretch. The marketing is already done.....and marketing is the key to any sales. You hear it over and over agin in the record business...."we were never marketed" "We were not marketed correctly" "There was no marketing budget"

Her marketing was free and the positive exposure she received and is still recieving is priceless. Her career may end before it begins but she HAS ONE and is set for life....gulfstreams and Castles...Nah. But she won't work another day and will sing to adoring audiences for as long as she is here.

As much as I thought she was a nice singer, I wouldn't buy one of her CDs.

Nothing exceptionally captivating about her voice, and she was just doing non-original tunes.

Just a minor flash in the pan, in my opinion.

Ian

Anybody check out those American Idol participant contract articles? One would imagine that Simon's English show uses the same practice...

She might sell a fair number of CD's out of the gate, but basically, she has signed away at least half her stake in them. When the show's producers stand to gain so much by hyping flash in the pan acts such as this, is it surprising that this happens?

I can just imagine them sitting around a boardroom, going 'You remember that lighter salesman that sang like Pavarotti? What we need is some broad, maybe even plainer.... dress her frumpy, get her to sing some big Broadway showstopper, create a sensation. Sign her, make a crappy record... We will be shocked all the way to the bank!'

Cynical...? Sorry, guys, but to be honest, if you have any real experience with record companies, this is a fairly benign conjecture of how they think The truth is probably uglier

Let's just say if Charolettes Church's CD is next to Boyles,i'll be purchasing Churches.

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Let's just say that if you find EITHER of their CD's in a local store you'll be very lucky. Finding both?

Best of luck...

I have enough trouble finding CD's by established recording stars, nowadays. Plenty of Jonas Brothers, though!

even if 3% of 10 million buy her records , how much will she make ? she will probably get 3-7% in terms of royalties. The royalty rates granted in every recording contract are very low to start out with . Unfortunately the record company can then charge back every conceivable cost to the artist . Some of the costs tyhe artist is responsible for is recording costs, video production costs, radio and TV promotion, sales and marketing costs, travel costs, packaging and distribution costs and any other cost the record company can subtract from their royalties. If Mrs Boyle makes a clear $100000 from it tyhen she will have done very well but thats not life changeing money in a real way. She will make more if she does live performances but i dont see her holding too many peoples attention for a full two hour show ....do you ? I would love to know what she is getting paid for persoanl appearances and how much her record company and agents take for that. In some ways i feel i am not being totally impartial because thousands of wanna be's get signed every year to exploitative contracts that effectly turn them into record companies slaves, why should Mrs Boyle not get exploited too ?????

I gues because through all the hoopla i see a woman that simply wants to be admired and respected like Elaine Page for her voice and not the spectacle she has become.

I agree completely, spalding...

I wonder how well at night "She-Bang Huang' sleeps, now that his fifteen minutes are over... Does he ever wonder if life might have been better in the long term if he HADN'T allowed himself to become a cocktail party punchline?

I simply hope this fine lady takes the ride with her eyes wide open, and keeps some dignity for later in life. I know some here tend to emphasize only the money she might (or might not) make, but for someone like her who has made music their life, whether with great success or not, there are MUCH more important considerations, IMO. Sell your 'soul' for a wad of cash (and trust me, that show virtually owns her soul for the promotion it provides) and you may easily find other values turn out to be much more important, finally.

But often (how many successful musician suicides do we have to see to realize this?) acknowledgment of this comes too late...

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Susan Boyle's story
'to be made into movie'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvand...into-movie.html

The guitarist needs to be shot, I dont know how she managed to keep singing with all the unecessary showboating that was going on. Credit to her though. she stuck to the task. Perverse as it seems , she is more marketable now as a midle aged full figured woman than she was back then. Says alot about society.

She is a sensation for whatever reason and she will have a wonderful future if she can handle it. Of course she will have her critics....people love to tear down those who are successful if they don;t deem someone worthy. But the general public has spoken in large numbers and I wish her well. I love stories like hers, It gives those like her hope.



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Her success is completely manufactured. She has been trying to make a career in music most of her life. Now Simon and his cronies have decided this is this year's 'Big Thing'...

And please don't tell me the 'public' has spoken. Sorry, but the public say what they are told to say. See what they are shown. Do what is expected of them. Baaaaa....

Think I'm being cynical? OK, explain that OTHER Idol 'sensation', She-Bang Huang...

I suppose, from the fact that he had his fifteen minutes, he MUST be a great and genuine talent too? I mean, how could we POSSIBLY argue with what the 'public' likes? Oh, might as well put Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian up in that pantheon, too...

I'm sorry, but the last few years have only shown us that ANYBODY can be made into a 'star', if only enough TV time is put behind them. Who knows, Kingfrog? Perhaps even you...

you have to undestand British news papers King frog. A source close to Simon Cowell ??? But not Simon Cowell....And who is the source???? Nobody.... And which major film companies want to make a story of her life ?????? Apparently they were not qouted either.....

Maybe american newspapers dont resort to 'making news up' . Unfortunately british papers do it all the time.....

No, we have Fox News to do that for us over here...

Apparently, because we are not allowed to show nude girls on page three, print media in the US is at the point of financial collapse

Sad to say, about the only sources of unbiased journalism, at least of the TV kind, left in the US are BBC America and PBS.

In the meantime, I simply can't WAIT for the Susan Boyle movie. With any luck, it will be at LEAST as good as that Paris Hilton movie

Two thumbs up (but I won't say where! )...

Apparently persistence paid off..



and that's news? OBAMA is President..!!! LOL



The idea is to please the PUBLIC....not DIKI..In that regard, she has achieved far more....ya think?



And that's a new concept?? No Diki thats been going on since the 70's.......and here I thought only us frogs lived under rocks...



NO thanks..Fame is a prison...My idealization of success is Barry Mann.....not Barry Manilow



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Yeah I bought the T-Shirt.........



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So fame is a prison...? And you respect those that labor quietly in the background over those thrust into the spotlight?

So why the fascination with this?

BTW, duh! Of course I know that Huang's act was a comedy. The point was, it was TERRIBLE comedy, and has died the death despite the same hoopla surrounding it as Susan has. Now it is a tragedy.

Huang had the same kind of numbers, a vast internet following, movie offers, yada yada yada. I see no difference.

BTW, thanks once again for the Obama reference. Of course, by the same logic, of course, those sheep voted for Bush not once, but TWICE. Yet another terrible comedy that turned into a tragedy...

Thanks for the Mann reference, though, Had almost forgotten him and Cynthia... although I was more of a Goffin and King guy, myself. I had the great pleasure to work in the Brill Building some in the eighties. You can definitely feel the 'vibe' in there...

keep watching Britain's Got talent. There genuinely are some amazing acts on them show. I think that there are some contestants on that pro gramme that have a good shot at winning. I dont normally like these shows (apart from the later stages of American Idol ) but every now and again i get surprised