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#261635 - 05/03/09 06:10 PM
Re: AUDYA 2.0 OS
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Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 1144
Loc: Staten Island, NYC
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Thats the point, none of them wants to pay, Dom offered me, to create 50 styles for him, you know how much he offered me? An MS for free and you know whats devellopers price per style? 8 Free MS? or a lil more, for 50 Styles. Can you Imagine, the guy wants me to do 40$ a styles which i have to work 2 days for 40$. I think thats disrespectfull too. I told him, a Free MS to me is only 6 styles, complete, nothing more, not even a note. And Diki, whos gonna pay or whos gonna create styles? Its different when i create collection of styles and sell it on fractions and its different if i create 30 styles for Dom or Ted or whoever where its a one shot thing, i want my 2 days per style, i am not selling those styles on a daily basis. But they wont pay and expect market, it doesnt work that way.
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#261637 - 05/03/09 10:26 PM
Re: AUDYA 2.0 OS
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14242
Loc: NW Florida
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The fact that you guys are still here, on this arranger forum, is proof enough to me that WS's do NOT provide the degree of control and live ease that arrangers do. Or you would already be WS users, plain and simple. I simply feel that there is a small window of opportunity for arranger manufacturers to grab the reins, or a couple more generations of WS's will obsolete them completely. Whether they have the sense to do this or not, I am in doubt Personally, I believe the market ALREADY exists, but really only Ketron and Lionstracs do not already have a WS line, doing considerably better than the arranger line. Dom has the hardware, but not enough money to develop the content, Ketron has enough money to develop the content, but the hardware still has a ways to go, and the content they ARE developing is focused on markets they already have. Really, there's only a few things that WS's need to improve, and then it's game over. First is the 'always in sync' loops that you can switch between on the fly, not cued a bar in advance, and the other thing is bass inversions, and chord inversions, that current WS's don't do. Other than that, with work, a MoXS could be a decent arranger... and beat the pants off any contemporary arranger at modern music. I feel that WS's are excellent for creating loop music at home and in the studio, but the arranger still beats them pants down for live use. That is, if 'live' means any flexibility whatsoever. Ableton Live is the success it is because it allows complete creative control, even in a live situation (contrary to most computer apps). So far, WS's can't do this. Now is the time for arranger makers to step up to the plate. Now, or never. Unless they make the investment, the market will be GONE, and all you are left with is ethnic musics and legacy style for an aging, dwindling market. And let us not think for one minute that the ethnic markets won't disappear as well, once WS's (with all their mature audio capabilities and developed modern content) can do an arranger-like control system. They either do it NOW, or it's the 'home organ' story all over again. There's a product that had an enormous market, but failed to follow trends, to stay contemporary, and now they do, what? Maybe 1% of their 70's numbers...
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#261639 - 05/04/09 01:31 AM
Re: AUDYA 2.0 OS
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5375
Loc: English Riviera, UK
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Hi Diki
Don’t know where you got the idea that Steve Jobs & Co started the computer as computers had been around in the market for some time, however they were all assembled, programmed and used by uses at home in Bedrooms Dens, Sheds etc.
Steve Jobs & Co saw there was a market out there, and then built a universal computer that anybody could use, and standardised it.
Once again uses had seen the potential of the computer and got off their backsides (Butt) and created a market for it, thus spurring on the big boys. (Aspiring big boys at the time) to do something about it (Make Money)
Regards
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#261642 - 05/04/09 06:43 AM
Re: AUDYA 2.0 OS
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14242
Loc: NW Florida
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The thing is, spalding... unless the arrangers have styles and sounds that a young player WOULD use, it's no good getting some young turk to demo it anyway! It's not the age of the demonstrator, it's the age of the STYLES... Thing is, pretty much most modern arrangers can completely replace their ROM styles (or ought to be ). So a dealer should be able to load a style package into the store's arranger that would suit whatever is the main demographic his store has. Of course, if some old fart like us walks in, it should be the work of a moment or two to load up a completely different 'oldies' package... It's trying to get youngsters past seeing polkas and foxtrots in a keyboard they want to buy. If they are not in there (except as a HD load, well hidden) and all there are are contemporary styles and loops, he's going to think that the product IS designed for him... If he sees waltzes and schlager, he's going to KNOW the product is designed for his grandfather. If arranger manufacturers want to grow the brand, they are going to need younger players, and they are going to need to attract them by making the product appeal to THEM. Which means hiding the legacy stuff, and rethinking what the purpose of ROM styles is, now that all the memory is volatile. They have an opportunity to rewrite the rules a bit, and restore some relevancy to the product, if they are willing to look past how things always USED to get done.
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