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Yay

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mikey are you getting one ?

SWEET!!!!

Best of luck with it .....
t.

Hey Frank !!!

Can you lock me up in your keyboard Dept this weekend? :-)

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Great! Mega-review expected ASAP with mucho thanks!
Glenn

Frank, that is some top of the lines..display..

I must say...for "grab your attention"..the MediaStation.."outshines" the other guys..

I think in that display my few cents go to the MS.

Thanks guys, if anyone has any request for sound or style samples let me know

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Nice keyboard display there WOW..., you got $13-$15,000 (at customer pricing) worth of keyboards sitting there in just 4 keyboards!

I think the coolness factor (in terms of looks) goes to the "blinky light king" to the far right. You could land a 747 with the MS's panel, watch a DVD, and write a style all at the same time

That Audya does look nice though. Look forward to any samples or demos you post.

Squeak

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My question would be, what information does a whole BLOCK of lighted switches impart?

I mean, think about it for a minute... What's the purpose of a lighted switch? To impart information about it's state. Not to light up the performer I think Dom has gone light crazy. Too much information, or rather, in a sea of lighted switches, basically no information at all.

Sure, it might look impressive in a store, but think for a minute about being onstage. You need ONE button to do something, and every other button is lit up as well (or nearly, anyway). How is that any more use that having most of them OFF, which would be far less distracting to the player..?

Is there an overall LED brightness control?

I'm sorry, but I don't get it. LED's help direct the attention to important, currently used functions. Not light up the performer!

In my experience as a sound engineer visualisation does make big difference in
inspiration and creativity which is the case with the new MS trust me.
I feel different when i create something in my shitty room and i am a little different sometimes
when i sit in a 1 million dollars studio.

Diki, the color of the leds tells you the state of that feature...most buttons have green,amber, red, and off..They are functional..

Frank,

Please hurry with a review and comparison.

Tom

Nedim, do you own a MediaStation?

Lighted keyboard buttons are useful in dark rooms as well.

Note yet Fran, working on it to get one now.

Frank,

please spend ALL weekend on it
DON'T sleep
and give us an HONEST, and THOUROUGH review

give us the PROS & CONS and perhaps compare to the other BIG 3 arrangers...

enjoy...

Frank's a dealer. You don't honestly expect him to pan it, do you?

Well, Fran, from watching most of the demo video's, I definitely see a LOT more button pushing than playing compared to anything else out there...

Personally, with a touch screen, I prefer far fewer buttons on the panel, basically only those you need to play. I just don't know, at a glance (all you have time for, live), how much information you could glean from over FIFTY LED buttons... and that's just the LEFT side of the MS...

Just how much of that is realtime function control? Because, I don't know about you, but if I need to learn fifty buttons just on my left side to control an arranger, something is seriously out of whack!

There is such a thing as informational overload... and the MS has it in spades! Look at all those other arrangers. Look at your G70. Then look at the MS... How come everybody else manages the task with FAR fewer buttons? Because they are designed by people that actually PLAY music. Not write code - we've already heard how abysmal Dom's choice of demo-ers are - stands to reason he must play worse than them I just don't see how any real player would think that that kind of informational overload is any real use, live...

Touch screens allow you to bury non-realtime functions away from view in a live situation, and allow you to place controls where they are easy to get to, easy to see, and easy to activate in the heat of performance. The more buttons clustered close together, the greater the risk of hitting the wrong one...

And, from watching those MS demos, I haven't YET seen any performance videos where the performer looked comfortable selecting what they needed. I know it would scare me, and I'm a button junkie.

Sometimes, you CAN have too much of a good thing...

Diki, it doesn't sound like you've purchased anything from Frank. I have been doing business with him the last 3 years. Despite the fact he is a dealer he's actually discouraged me from making certain purchases brand/models etc. he didn't think I'd be happy with. On one occasion I made a buy anyway, he was right I wasn't happy with it. I don't think you'll find a more honest business man than him, at least I haven't. I have enough confidence in him as a dealer that I recently sent non SZ musician friend of mine whose been gigging 45 years to buy a PA588 from Frank. My buddy's comment was he never met a more accomdating music dealer. So would he pan it if he didn't think it a great piece of equipment, I think he'd shoot you an honest answer, bottom line he's a no BS guy. END OF STORY

Well, as hard as these things seem to be for a dealer to even GET and place in his store, I'm not sure that pissing off the distributor with a less than glowing review would be good business sense... Perhaps privately he might acknowledge things, but publicly, at the start of the product's launch?

But OK, I'll take your word...

Dish it, Frank! In fact, maybe he'd be the FIRST to post the unplugged guitar audio loop test we have all been waiting to hear (seeing as how Ketron seem determined to NOT post it). Play a wide variety of chords on the unplugged guitar track, and let us finally hear how well the MIDI takes over from the audio track when you have sus, dim and aug chords in a song.

OK, OK, I know he wouldn't be the FIRST to post this, but seeing as mrdave's posted example was shouted down as 'it's a beta, it's going to sound better than that' yada yada yada, how about doing it on a production model? I know I for one would be fascinated to hear if the 'beta' excuse was anything more than hot air...

Frank is a good man...

Diki,

I can get frustrated with many of your post because you always come across with negativity, particularily when it comes to Audya.

Have you ever read Dale Carnegie's book ?

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Dale Carnegie is buying an Audya?

Never mind Ian.....just pay attention!!!!..

Why, is Dale going to demonstrate how badly the audio guitar mixes with the midi sound?

You do know...Dale died in 1955....

Frank,
Have you had time yet to give the Audya a goog work out? I am interested in what your overall thoughts are going to be keeping in mind the price.

By the way guys, I have done business with Frank and George and have to say they are pretty up front about the equipment they sell. I have yet to be given bad advice by either of them.

Hammer

I've been playing it all day, there is almost too much to type, i might do a You tube video about some stuff.

If you guys want just call me at the store, and I'll discuss everything I can with out.

It must be pretty amazing, I managed to sell 2 of them without having any stock yet. paid in full waiting for delivery



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And here on the West Coast, we have nothing to try or sell! That's what upsets me about the way CMC is conducting their business!
Product should have gone only to dealers around the country to at least allow those to try and place advance orders.


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I did place my order over 2 years ago.

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And yet, here you are...

How's that beam in your eye?

ya know, your right. I made an edit to my post realizing I did not follow the rule.

I guess I am frustrated by your negativity of Audya. I will ignore everything you have too say and keep smiling.

Gee, buddy, I didn't even know he was sick....sorry for your loss.

Wasn't that about the time they started workin' on the Audya?

Hmmmmm.....

'Suck up to people, and they will like you'. Pretty f*cking profound, there, Dale!

Personally, I neither come here to 'handle' people, nor to have them like me. I just like the frank and open exchange of views and opinions about arrangers and music in general. And when someone disagrees with me, it has no bearing on whether I like them or not. They are as entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.

If, on the other hand, they fail to manage to disagree with me without plain outright insulting me, that's different. Those so ignorant they can't tell the difference between an insult and an argument don't honestly deserve any respect.

But anyway, everyone is free to suck up to me if they think it will change my attitude

Didn't think so...

So you are supposed to ignore everybody you don't agree with? That's the Carnegie approach? LOL

I guess it's a good thing that MOST of us here don't follow that principle, or it would be a VERY quiet place in here. Maybe this is what has happened to the US since the fifties... We have forgotten that it is possible to disagree with someone, and yet still keep a civil dialog going. Apparently, either an outright nasty attack, or sullen silence is all we are capable of, any more...

Your right Diki. I take back everything I said and please accept my apology.

Now THAT'S Dale Carnegie in action...

Seriously, Dan, I don't disrespect you for not agreeing with me. It's the exchange of ideas and viewpoints that matters. I also feel that discussing negative points about an arranger (go to Roland-arranger.com, and on our feature wishlist forum you will see I am FAR more critical of my G70 than I have ever been of the Audya - familiarity only helps spot things that can be improved) is NOT being 'negative'...

It's an honest attempt to articulate what could be BETTER on these musical tools, in a (perhaps vain ) effort to show the manufacturers and representatives that surf here what we as users really NEED in an arranger. Plus, don;t get me wrong. I have posted about how much I like the basic SOUND of the Audya, but I simply feel that it's core technology, the use of audio loops instead of MIDI, is a bit premature at our current level of technology.

IF... the guitar loops were capable of being streamed as per the initial announcements, IF they had been able to stream basslines, percussion lines, comping, all simultaneously, IF it was easy to import from other libraries to add to these phrase libraries, IF all the basic chord choices were covered, then yes, the Audya would indeed be worth the price it is going for. And if it were priced, in its' current semi-crippled state (vis a vis this feature) about the same as other TOTL closed arrangers, I would be VERY interested in getting one.

I simply feel that, as is, it is only a half step towards where it needs to be to be a usable musical tool for those OTHER than content with the ROM styles. Another generation or two of CPU and data buss technology needs to be available before it fulfills it's promise.

Now, if that is being negative, I'm sorry. Personally, I feel I am being positive about the future, but unsatisfied with the present. A push, perhaps?

Anyway, personally, I don't feel anger at ANYONE for simply disagreeing with me, and I hope that the Audya works out as successfully for you as you hope. Wouldn't have it any other way. But I have a feeling that it will work out FAR more successfully for you (and me!) when those issues I have commented on have been addressed...

In the meantime, my humble four year old $3500 (or sub-$2000 used) arranger is still wow-ing audiences and other musicians alike, and I can afford to wait patiently until the Audya's technology DOES mature and become a practical reality. And I wait with anticipation, to hear how well the Audya sounds in the hands of those willing to jump in and pay a new level of price for fledgling technology. I am sure it WILL be a new level of realism (Ketron's audio demos are spectacular), but until it is a bit more 'open' for those of us with different musical needs to the ROM styles, I think I can wait.

And in the meantime, perhaps Audya are looking into addressing some of our (not just mine!) concerns and criticisms. And that will benefit ALL...

Surely that is a positive thing?

Back to the thread topic.. please.

Okay, the Audya has landed. Frank gave us a little glimmer of what's what with the Audya, and I (and others), immediately opened that 'can of worms' and unabashedly (more like ferociously ) provided our "objective" opinions about what WE thought about the Audya. >> Hey, if we keep giving these manufacturers i.e. Ketron, Yammie, or whoever, a free pass and just gush all over whatever they happen to release to the public do you really think they (the manufacturers) will ever find it necessary to "change their ways"?? Not on your life. Especially if we continue to just accept whatever they happen to "pop" out the door and then gladly throw our hard earned money "down the drain" on every sub-par keyboard they happen to push off on us. The way we, the consumer, can "hold them to the fire" is to "hold off" from giving them our hard earned money. Then and ONLY then will they finally take it to heart and start giving their customers and 'potential' customers what they want and desire in an arranger keyboard. WE, the consumer, hold the very life blood of them (as a company) in our hands and the only way things will change to our satisfaction is if we "vote" with our wallets. That's how things change in government and just assuredly as in the private sector as well. And if you don't like what has been 'voted' in by Ketron's higher ups, you can do everything in your power to try and change the circumstances by voting them, or it, out. If Ketron won't change, you then have multiple options of other arranger keyboard companies to choose from and which hopefully will be more willing to listen to you - the consumer. If Ketron goes belly up it won't be the consumers fault as we all know. It will unfortunately be Ketron's stubborn unwillingness to provide adequate and desirable products that consumers are interested in buying in "mass". If they don't know how to provide such products, it probably won't be long before they shutter their doors or are bought out by one of the other companies, like Korg, who does know how to produce such desirable products apparently.

I know I'm being hard on Ketron; just like I've been hard on Yamaha in the past, or any other keyboard company who tries to shaft the public i.e. the consumer, by putting out products that I, for one, feel are sub-par feature wise, and/or outrageously priced, and/or shoddily built, etc. I keep looking for Audya's good points and I have found some. But in my opinion, the positives just can't seem to outweigh the negatives regarding the Audya (for me anyway) and there is no other one to blame for this predicament than Ketron themselves.

I will be the first one to say when a product is commendable, or excellent, and/or worthy of every cent the company is asking for it. But I cannot, with a clear conscience, do so regarding the Audya unfortunately. Maybe others can, and I wish them well if they happen to get the Audya. But until Ketron can prove to me that the Audya is up to snuff with that of the competition (both sound, structurally, and feature wise) I will unfortunately have to pass on the Audya until such a time.

All the best,
Mike

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 05-04-2009).]

and until the AUDYA drops to a realistic $3,999 i most likely will not buy it...

$5k is WAY TOO MUCH for outdated hardware, 64MB RAM???, you kidding?

my Tandy 1000 may have had more RAM

Better take those rosy glasses off, Mike On the Tandy 1000 128k of memory was standard, with the computer accepting up to 640k of total memory with the addition of expansion cards

Actually, until the short lived Z-series Akai's, 32MB was as much as any of those hugely successful samplers could be expanded to. People would have a rack of the damn things, just to have multiple sounds instantly available. While 64MB doesn't seem like a whole lot by today's standard, it is still twice as much as most Akai's, and capable of doing some seriously good stuff to your tracks. While Tyros can go up to 512MB, it takes FAR too long to load up to practically use it. And you don't even want to KNOW how long it takes to save it!

Personally, if sampling RAM is your most important consideration (mine would be Akai compatibility and ease of editing), I would suggest a Muse Receptor and Kontakt. Or an MS...

Simple! If you don't like it, don't buy it.
vote with your wallet. //Tryggve

Until the dollar comes equal or higher than the Euro you won't see a price drop. Ketron always stated from the beginning that the Audya would be in the 5k range, we were just hoping that it won't. I'm sure in time it may drop when there is release of a newer keyboard. If I’m going to spend $4k for a T3 another $1k is not going to make a big difference.

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I can see your point mc. Although, the concern I have with your hypothesis i.e. "what's the big deal with shelling out an extra Grand" is #1. the Tyros3 does NOT cost 4 Grand, although it may cost that much in certain parts of Europe and/or Asia. Over here in the States you can get a T3 for roughly "3" Grand + any tax. I agree though with your concept that paying "extra" for a keyboard [as opposed to paying less for a different one e.g. the T3, etc.] can prove wise and indeed cost effective in the long run if the more expensive keyboard is superior in every way to the less expensive one. #2. But that is essentially predicated on "how much superior or better" the more expensive one is compared the lesser expensive one. I see what you're saying though i.e: "if I can afford a T3 I can certainly dig a little deeper in my pockets and get the more expensive Audya if I want or need to. Yes, but before doing so you have to weigh the positives and negatives of each one and make your decision based on what the rest of the competition offers e.g. (price, value, features, selection - 61/76 keys, sufficient memory, which one has the superior sounds, Sampler/no Sampler etc.) and if the Audya seems to meet or exceed those of the competition then by all means shell out the extra dough and get it if you think it will meet your keyboard playing needs and requirement(s).

In my own case, I like some the features and innovation(s) of the Audya but for the life of me I don't see how it can necessarily even compare or be ANY better than the "fully functional" and the $2,000 LESS expensive Korg Pa2XPRO. Sure, the Audya does have 77 additional notes of polyphony over the Pa2X and it also has the audio style functionality, but the Audya only has a "minuscule" amount of available RAM compared to what you can attain RAM wise on the Pa2XPRO. Plus the Pa2X's buttons line up. I think Ketron is basically trying to sell the Audya at such a ridiculously high price because they have incorporated the new audio style loop integration feature into it and think people will spring for that new technology, and because it took them forever and a day to "work out the bugs" so R&D went through the roof and they want to try and recoup as much of those production costs as possible. In the meantime the consumer is the one getting shafted and all because of Ketron's "inefficiency" and "ineptitude". Inefficiency: because the design of the poor thing is sorely lacking in my opinion, and ineptitude: because it almost appears that the engineers at Ketron don't have the foggiest on what they're doing and the fact that it has taken them a coon's age to release simply this, in my opinion, a dumbed down "beta" product that we currently witness before our eyes called the Audya.

I could go on and on why I think the Audya lacks merit e.g. only has USB 1.1, poor design, many of the sounds aren't the greatest, lack of RAM, high price, etc. - but I will spare you the trouble and the bandwidth.

Enjoy whatever you play! If that be the Audya then more power to you! For me, I will pass thank you.

All the best,
Mike



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here's what i'm gonna do...

wait for the next BAD @SS Roland G Arranger to come out, which may be sooner than we think...

i've heard or dreampt that it will have audio guitar & drum loops.

and will be way cheaper ;-)

Mike, Your right and this my take on the Audya thing:

It all depends on tastes, likes and what people needs are, nothing else. Me personally and these are my opinions on how the Audya will work for me if I purchase one. I will buy the audya sooner or later. I've always owned ketrons. I love their sounds and styles. That's the most important thing to me right now. I don't care about a 64 ram sampler, since I never used one when I owned X1 & SD1. The Midjay feature is a huge plus for me. Their midi playback has always sounded great. I will take a drive to Franks store and demo one.

As far as the layout the some like and some don't. Since I have owned many ketrons, on one model the buttons were on the left, the next model the buttons were on the right. No difference to me, I got use to it. What Ketron excels in (latin, ethnic styles) fits my exact needs.


I know many say that you can by a PA2X or G70 and keep a couple of grand in there pockets. For me (IMO) I find that the styles on the korg are horrible and the G70 even worse. I listen to G70 and it reminds me of the E86. There is nothing wrong with that because everyone has different tastes. So I'm not angry or take it personal nor should anyone else, since we are all different.

My advice is if you like the Audya and if you find its financially worth it. Great go for it; don’t look back. If not, there are plenty of other ketron models and other companies that may suit yours or anyone else's needs.

Good luck,


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Also, on various online music stores the tyros 3 is $3,999.00. ZZsounds, Musiciansbuy, Musiciansfriend, etc. The cheaper prices I found were the scratch and dent models or demo models.

Give me a call on the T3 price

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OOTB, the G70 I agree is not the most polished of arrangers when it comes to the styles. But it has, BY FAR, the easiest way of editing them, and fixing them to your own tastes, and a huge selection of legacy styles that are easy to revoice to use the new sounds.

The things that make it my #1 choice STILL, despite four years of potential catchup by the other manufacturers are the stellar piano (and great 76 action to be able to use it), B3 and drum sounds, which, at least for me, makes the great styles on other arrangers moot. If they don't have the meat and potato sounds down cold, what's the POINT of great styles?

Let me add, I do probably as much live band work as machine stuff these days, so those primary sounds, piano, e. piano, organ, brass, strings and synth need to be able to hold up to a live section, not just the washed out drums that most arrangers have.

Yes, the G70 won't wow you out of the box... But if you decide that it's basic sounds are your cup of tea, at least they provide the easy to use tools to redo the styles how you want them... If I owned any other make of arranger right now, I would be SCREAMING at the manufacturer to take a look at how easy Roland make editing, and add it to what I would own.

They really ARE that much better...

Well, I don't know what you have to pay in Sweden, but here
in Norway the "offer price" is Kr. 50950,- US$ 7749 !!
The "full price" is Kr. 59950,- US$ 9117 !!!!!!
Currency 1$ = 6.575 NKr.
So you see, it's not only a "wallet issue" .... is it really
worth the big gap between the price gap when compare to the
T3 and a PA2XPro that you can buy for US$ 4800 at full price?

Cheers and Happy Playing
GJ

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny:
[B] Well, I don't know what you have to pay in Sweden, but here
in Norway the "offer price" is Kr. 50950,- US$ 7749 !!
The "full price" is Kr. 59950,- US$ 9117 !!!!!!
Currency 1$ = 6.575 NKr.
So you see, it's not only a "wallet issue" .... is it really
worth the big gap between the price gap when compare to the
T3 and a PA2XPro that you can buy for US$ 4800 at full price?

Cheers and Happy Playing
GJ

I am gonna pay 43000:- SK for the Audya
I will have it in the middle of Jun.
Full price...????? whats that....there is only one price....that's what I pay.About the T3..I have one,great right hand sounds.
About the PA2x,had one for a year.Good arranger,Right sound...Neeeee.
Back to Audya. When you go to the store,you don't ask,what doe`s it cost,you ask what do I have to pay.
Love your country GJ been there maby 20 times. Heja Norge

Not bad to be a visitor in Sweden either

Full price is the listed price, and anyway, here, for some reason or another,
we have to pay 8.000,- more than you, and the Danish get it even cheeper, in
another post it say DKr 33.000,-
Who would think we live in the same corner of the world?
At 40.000 or less I would consider open wallet and buy.....

Hej då
GJ

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diki:
OOTB, But it has, BY FAR, the easiest way of editing them, and fixing them to your own tastes, and a huge selection of legacy styles that are easy to revoice to use the new sounds.

The things that make it my #1 choice STILL, despite four years of potential catchup by the other manufacturers are the stellar piano (and great 76 action to be able to use it), B3 and drum sounds, which, at least for me, makes the great styles on other arrangers moot. If they don't have the meat and potato sounds down cold, what's the POINT of great styles?

Let me add, I do probably as much live band work as machine stuff these days, so those primary sounds, piano, e. piano, organ, brass, strings and synth need to be able to hold up to a live section, not just the washed out drums that most arrangers have.

Yes, the G70 won't wow you out of the box... But if you decide that it's basic sounds are your cup of tea, at least they provide the easy to use tools to redo the styles how you want them... If I owned any other make of arranger right now, I would be SCREAMING at the manufacturer to take a look at how easy Roland make editing, and add it to what I would own.

They really ARE that much better...

/QUOTE]

Overwriting/tweaking styles out of the box is essentially the same navigation as most arranger companys. So I don't agree with the BY FAR comment. For me, personally, until Roland allows you to save styles to a hard drive or play styles from a hard drive they are behind Ketron.

We'll agree to disagree.

Roland have allowed you to save your styles to the internal 50MB SSHD or to an up to 4GB Card since day one. Loading from these is instantaneous, no HD lag whatsoever, you can do it while another style is running and it loads seamlessly...

Because there are no MP3 facilities, that 4.5GB of storage allows for a HUGE collection of styles and SMF's, all of which are instantly available to the G70. No going to Disk pages first... the style DB simply presents them regardless of where they are, ROM, Internal or Card.

And there is a USB connection for connecting to a computer to back up and load in additional styles. No USB stick port, but I see little use for that. I load what I need (and tons I don't!) in advance and I'm good to go...

Not really sure where you got your info, Dan, but that one is dead wrong...

BTW, I've tried style and SMF editing on both Yamaha (which need external software before they have even HALF the capabilities that Roland do) and Korg, and neither of these is anywhere near as friendly, graphically simple to use and comprehensive as Roland's Makeup Tools and Style Composer sections are.

I haven't tried this on a Ketron, but from reading posts from frustrated Ketron users, I simply conclude the same... Point is, you never hear Roland users complain how difficult this task is. Yes, essentially the same things need to be done, but it is the STYLE that they do it in, the workflow and tool presentation that makes the difference.

I would be willing to do a head to head with any other arranger type any time.... start with a poor conversion translation, with wrong drum sounds, mismatched dynamics, bad Part balances and choice of less than the best sound selections, etc. (you KNOW how bad those translated styles can be!), and I bet I can turn it into a usable style in far less time than any other system.

Ask around here, other players that have used Roland's and other brands. Most times, even when they don't like the arranger itself, they have very kind words for the editing tools...

Roland's Make Up Tools , style editing, sound editing, FAR EXCEEDS anything ANY OTHER arranger manufacturer can provide.

exceeds in SIMPLICITY and VERSATILITY...

PERIOD.

G-70 owner, leezone

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Only disagreement with that, for honesty's sake, is the voice editing, Lee.

Roland's voice editing parameters are very barebones compared to most arrangers. However, having them all on the sliders under the correct parameter name on the screen (no offsets on Roland's between the parameter and the slider ) is very convenient and quick to adjust.

Plus, of course, on Roland's, there is no 'User Tone' bank, so you either have to use the Session Manager software, or recreate your favorite edits when you create the Registration (UPG). Every time...

Style and SMF editing, I don't see how you COULD improve the Roland's Makeup Tools much, but personally, I think Roland have a long way to go to catch up in the voice editing and storing department....

JMO....

Diki,

When you make edits to styles on SD1, they are transfered to the harddrive. No need to save to disk etc.. You have harddrive to store your styles , plus you can play the additional styles, directly from the harddrive. Midi midis are stored on harddrive,played from harddrive and you can edit songs while they play from the harddrive and save the song that has been edited, on the harddrive.
You can play your styles from your ram card & play your midi files from the ram card and you can edit your styles while they play from the ram card & play edit your midi filesin real time from the ram card... and that's good.
But I would still take the storage capabilities of a harddrive vs a ram card.

I guess that Roland is by far better with a ram card...

I tell you what... after I've filled up 4.5GB with just styles and SMF's, I'll worry about it.

I tend to only carry what I can use. And offline back to the computer anything that can't be (lousy styles, bad translations, sucky SMF's, whatever). And I'll wager that there isn't anyone out there that regularly uses 4.5GB of just style and MIDI data. Sampler loads, MP3's, sure, they'll chew a drive up. But the G70 has neither.

The ROM styles, all nearly 300 of them, take up a paltry 18MB. I've got 4.5GB of storage. You do the math...

Any other manufacturers who still in business I would say, just look at the Technics KN series.
Those of us who could try out the possibilities and easy way to do things on a KN, knows that
Roland, Ketron and others can't compete yet.
I've said it before, if Ketron added Technics' OS and build an Techtron or Kethnics, it would
sure be a WINNER !!
GJ

Diki,

i meant sound editing as far as within a style, adding reverb , delay, eq, etc, to sounds of tracks, so sound FX editing is what i meant