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#264400 - 05/25/09 08:54 PM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 09/21/00
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LINE DANCE:.. 1. Boot Scootin' Boogie 2. I Feel Lucky 3. Money in the Bank 4. Trouble 5. Lost and Found 6. Don't Rock the Jukebox 7. Blame It on Your Heart 8. Working Man's Ph.D. 9. Texas Tattoo 10.Great Balls of Fire 11.Achey Breaky 12.Red Neck Woman TWO STEP>.... http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Wil/2step.htm [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 05-25-2009).]
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#264403 - 05/26/09 02:48 AM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 541
Loc: Australia
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Good list Donny. Artists/Songs we include are: Brooks and Dunn (Building Bridges, maybe Neon Moon?) Alan Jackson (Summertime Blues, It's 5 o'clock Somewhere) Cha Cha slide (DJ Chip) ----? Open season on my Heart (Tim Mcgraw) Some Beach (Blake Shelton) Almost ANYTHING by Scooter Lee! Fly Like a Bird (Boz Scaggs - perennially popular Downunder) I'm from Australia, and we often play for Linedancers, but the local dancers follow a lot of American, as well as Australian music, so I feel (fairly) confident recommending (most of)the above. G'luck!
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#264411 - 05/27/09 12:56 PM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7306
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Personal preference, Donny. Don't like the music, the dance or the people who do the dance. None of the places or people I play for would allow it.
Just not my thing...Remember, I won't do ANY Buffet music, either. A local complex, with a dinner steamboat, outdoor bar, 5000 sq foot dance area and dining room wanted me to come down to check out if I wanted to play in the dining room. I went down Monday after a VA job. Buffet was on in the dining room. I turned around and left without even asking for the owner, who had called me.
So there!
R. (no offence intended. It's just not for me, and I don't participate. If line dancing and Buffet is your thing(s), GO FOR IT!).
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 05-27-2009).]
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#264412 - 05/27/09 07:57 PM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 541
Loc: Australia
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Russ, I've enjoyed your posts in the past, and I think you have a lot to add 99% of the time, but I don't see why you had to go out of your way to comment about how you would turn down the job and express your dislike for the Music, the Dance style AND the PEOPLE(!) who do the dance. I realise threads have off-topic comments in them (I'm *ahem* guilty of postng those myself occasionally... ) but I don't see why you have to remind us (again) that you "don't do Buffet" and whether you mean it or not, it comes across as you looking down on those of us who do. Yes I know you say "hey it's just not for ME" etc nevertheless, you seem to go out of your way to tell us, often enough, how it's pretty much beneath you. I'm not trying to start something here - it's a genuine observation and I wonder if you've thought about the reasons why you post this particular opinion time and again. Feel free to tell me where to go, but this is what I honestly think. Do you ever wonder, deep down, why you post your thoughts the way you do on this subject? (I'm honestly interested in your reply) Peace.
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#264413 - 05/27/09 08:54 PM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4724
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Originally posted by captain Russ: A local complex, with a dinner steamboat, outdoor bar, 5000 sq foot dance area and dining room wanted me to come down to check out if I wanted to play in the dining room. I went down Monday after a VA job. Buffet was on in the dining room. I turned around and left without even asking for the owner, who had called me.
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 05-27-2009).] Hey Russ, Next time a 5000 sq' job comes up (especially the type money you get calls for) and you thumb your nose, send it my way - I love everything and all sorts of venues. I played a nursing home the other day and a poor little old lady who couldn't even hold her head up told me how much she loved the Buffet song I played I'm a bit surprised too at your comment. A person with your success doesn't do the type thing you explained Man, I crawl, beg, kiss, etc - anything I can do to stay gainfully employed - it's a tough world out there.
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#264414 - 05/27/09 09:00 PM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 09/09/02
Posts: 2204
Loc: Florida, USA
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Before Russ replies, I can tell you I understand where he is coming from. Like you, Hellboy, I am not as picky as Russ and will play for a wide variety of clients. However, neither you, nor I, are in the same position as Russ or the same market.
The most successful local guy I know has two bands, one rock, one country. Two very different names and images. Each appeals to a very specific market. I dare say, each of his target markets would look down on the other. He doesn't care. He just plays the jobs and cashes the checks.
Russ is true to what he likes, plays and is good at. He is in a market where he is known and doesn't have to be anymore than what he truly is. He has a reputation and has steady employment at the same venues with a following. Very cool and every entertainer's dream....although he doesn't call himself and entertainer.
I don't play to the same kind of audiences he does...and I have to be more of a chameleon than he is...but that is show biz...on a big scale or local market.
We all do what we have to do to survive in the biz.
Eddie
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#264415 - 05/27/09 09:58 PM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 541
Loc: Australia
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Sure Eddie (and Zuki) rest assured I'm NOT denigrating Russ's talents (I probably couldn't hold a candle to his playing - though we probably actually DO share some songs in our setlists) what I'm getting at in a (hopefully) polite and genuinely curious way is WHY Russ felt he needed to comment at all in this thread (for example) as to what he would do with the gig in the first place. It's obviously not his bag as he said (and I'm fine with that - really) it's just I guess I don't see why he needs to share that attitude in a thread that never called for it. I was also surprised he went on (when asked, to be fair) about how he not only didn't like the music/dance but even the people. Perhaps in the States it's a different scene, but in Australia for example, Linedancing is practiced primarily by older people (mainly ladies) who have, in many cases, lost their Husbands/Significant other, and now have no regular partner to dance with, and Linedancing is often one of their only outlets for exercise and public contact. I often feel for them, having lost probably the love of their lives, and linedancing puts a smile on their face and a song in their heart (if you don't mind the Cliché) so we happily play for them, and moreover we play whatever they want, including specialised Linedancing songs we never would normally play. Russ's post, to me, portrays him as a bit of a "Grinch who stole Christmas" figure - which I actually DON'T think he is - so I wanted to know his real feelings on the matter, apart from his matter-of fact post. Maybe I'm going too "deep" for this thread...lol Anyway, again - Peace! [This message has been edited by hellboy44 (edited 05-27-2009).] [This message has been edited by hellboy44 (edited 05-27-2009).]
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#264418 - 05/28/09 01:17 AM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14308
Loc: NW Florida
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Originally posted by hellboy44: Russ, I've enjoyed your posts in the past, and I think you have a lot to add 99% of the time, but I don't see why you had to go out of your way to comment about how you would turn down the job and express your dislike for the Music, the Dance style AND the PEOPLE(!) who do the dance.
I realise threads have off-topic comments in them (I'm *ahem* guilty of postng those myself occasionally... ) but I don't see why you have to remind us (again) that you "don't do Buffet" and whether you mean it or not, it comes across as you looking down on those of us who do.
Yes I know you say "hey it's just not for ME" etc nevertheless, you seem to go out of your way to tell us, often enough, how it's pretty much beneath you.
I'm not trying to start something here - it's a genuine observation and I wonder if you've thought about the reasons why you post this particular opinion time and again.
Feel free to tell me where to go, but this is what I honestly think. Do you ever wonder, deep down, why you post your thoughts the way you do on this subject?
(I'm honestly interested in your reply)
Peace.No hellboy. I actually READ them. Do you read your OWN posts BEFORE you hit 'submit'? If Russ had have made a comment about NEVER taking a rap gig or a techno one, the rest of you would be merrily posting away that you feel exactly the same... But he doesn't do Buffett, and you DO... I rest my case.
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#264419 - 05/28/09 02:18 AM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 541
Loc: Australia
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*Sigh* Ok, I'll make this as easy as possible for you Diki. I'm asking for the reasons why (or more to the point, for Russ to ask himself the reasons why) he would, out of the blue, comment about how he wouldn't do the gig, and didn't like everything about it - from the music to the paricipants at said gig: ".....but I don't see why you had to go out of your way to comment about how you would turn down the job and express your dislike for the Music, the Dance style AND the PEOPLE(!) who do the dance." A secondary point (and a minor disclaimer) beginning with: "I realise threads have off-topic comments in them (I'm *ahem* guilty of posting those myself occasionally... )" (the aforementioned Secondary Point) "...I don't see why you have to remind us (again) that you "don't do Buffet" and whether you mean it or not, it comes across as you looking down on those of us who do." Again, a heartfelt disclaimer: "I'm not trying to start something here - it's a genuine observation" Again the heart of the matter: "...and I wonder if you've thought about the reasons why you post this particular opinion time and again." and the heart of the matter explained more succintly in my next post: "...what I'm getting at in a (hopefully) polite and genuinely curious way is WHY Russ felt he needed to comment at all in this thread (for example) as to what he would do with the gig in the first place." A disclaimer: "It's obviously not his bag as he said (and I'm fine with that - really)" AGAIN the heart of the matter: "it's just I guess I don't see why he needs to share that attitude in a thread that never called for it." Also a justification for my post(s): "I was also surprised he went on (when asked, to be fair) about how he not only didn't like the music/dance but even the people." And a Final disclaimer: "Maybe I'm going too "deep" for this thread...lol" Dicki, to be picky, (Ha! That rhymes!) I never said we actualy did Buffett (Jimmy is a principally American Phenom, and if you walked up to the average person in Australia and asked them who he is, or to name a song, they would struggle to say the least - Margaritaville is the ONLY widely known hit he ever had here) but I know what you mean - Linedancing/Country/laid back stuff, which we play. However - we DO play Rap/Techno/RnB and Top 40 gigs when it's required, and I seem to remember Russ covered his dislike for such gigs in previous threads (perhaps in a more blanket manner), but I believe in those posts it was entirely appropriate - in that, that was the discussion point of the thread. So you see, the original poster in this thread could've asked for appropriate break music for ANY music (Rap or Techno if you like, Bolivian Folk music if you insist ) and I STILL would've been curious as to why Russ didn't want to play a Bolivian Folk Music gig, or why he didn't like the associated dance style (whatever THAT would be) or the people who dance it.
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#264423 - 05/28/09 09:49 AM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7306
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Folks, it was probably not a good thing that I let my frustration surface about the music business in general.
By process of attitude and years in the field, I have become the jazz standard bearer around here. As you can imagine, there are lots more Line Dancing and Buffet jobs in Kentucky than the ones I specialize in, and, often, the money is better. The work I specialize in is harder to find, less rewarding; the audiences are smaller, and the music is much more challenging. I'm NEVER satisfied with my level of performance.
If I were an entertainer, I'd play the hell out of (YUK) Aky Breaky Heart or any of the other tunes previously mentioned. I don't do a good job of entertaining. I play none of the tunes mentioned here, and don't do jobs where those tunes are appropriate. I'd be run off the stage if I tried to play any of them.
To me, the integrity of the music is paramount. I don't look down on the people who choose to play widely popular tunes. That's what entertainers do.
At the same time, I just don't understand players who don't spend the time required to learn their instrument and make constant improvement during their lifetimes a primary goal.
Of course, the sad thing to me is, when you choose the serious jazz musician route, success is really a mixed bag. Often as you improve over the years, you'll eventually play yourself out of a job. That's why so many big-time jazzers were broke, addicted, alone, incarcerated and more. That's where the frustration factor comes in.
Thing is, I have found myself in a position where I CAN'T make myself play certain tunes. It would represent a major sell-out to me. The small bit of good news is, the people who share the love of jazz communicate on a level which is unparralleled. And, increasingly, that's what I need from the music business.
For me, anything else is just a sad waste of my time.
But, that's my problem, and it should have stayed that way. The public doesn't spend 18 hours a day living and breathing music. I do. And, I did the thing jazzers mistakenly do all too often...blame the "unappreciative", "no-taste" public. This time, line dancers and two steppers, along with Buffet fans were the ones I took the shots at.
My momentary "rant" was in poor taste and certainly not meant as a slam on anyone here. That particularly goes for Jim; one of my favorites here. I'm embarassed that I forgot that his recently posted work was a Buffet song.(Jim, the job here was 6:00 to 9:00 four nights a week-$150.00 a night. That's probably too much of a commute for you...800-10000 miles a week). The frustration is real, way more prevalent than some think and something I've got to deal with.
Sorry for the momentary lapse in civility. It's just that line dance music represents everything I don't like in the business. Like Hellboy (Greg) said, I should have just kept quiet. I've got to hand it to him. He made his point articulately, without any of the confrontational attitude that sometimes appears here.
I appreciate that....nice website, too! And BBBB, well written, rational response. I particularly liked the reference to learning the "Boot" song. Good luck with that!
Russ
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 05-28-2009).]
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#264425 - 05/28/09 03:48 PM
Re: Line Dance and Two Step mp3 suggestions please
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7306
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Brian, great choice of what/who to listen to, including Vince Gill and Allison Krauss.
Vince is a world-class studio quality musician. Allison is a close frend of my very good friend, J.D. Crowe, who is a Grammy winning 5 string player.
Before they recorded a TV show in about 1992, in Louisville, Allison, J.D. and Grisson (mandolin) had dinner at the club was playing three nights in a row. It was connected to the hotel where they were staying. We visited on all my extended breaks. What a sweet, level-headed young woman (actually, putting a calculator to things, she could be in her late 40's).
I suspect Vince Gill could play me under the table, playing MY Material. And Allison has the raw talent to play and sing any style or song at a world-class level.
I've found that superior players are comfortable enough to be delightful conversationalists and equally talented in other areas. Only the mediocre folks are the jerks.
I guess my attitude is, while I don't like Bluegrass or some other types of music, I appreciate raw talent and excellence in performance/technique. I admire and respect J.D., Vince and Allison. Not too familiar with the other guy, but will check him out.
Be well,
Russ
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 05-28-2009).]
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