Frank..., could you help shed some light on the Audya's recording capabilities? Does it do any seqeuncing at all? The specs say it records to HD and FD.., yet on another post a member states the Audya doesn't have a FD (which then only leaves the HD) as the primary for sequencing. On that same post another member states the Audya lacks sequencing for creating or editign midi-files.

Is the Audya (in its current state-out of the box) just a rompler? Have you been given any information on additions such as style recording?

I think it's odd to not see these types of features on a TOTL arranger. I think the Audya sounds great too--as many of the members here will also agree..., but at its current price and "possibly" being nothing more than a rompler (at the moment) is strange.

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Wow Squeak are you buying an Audya now/

Let's just say I'm in the market for a GOOD arranger.., and I'm exploring ALL my options currently

The Audya's missing some key features that (I) feel a TOTL arranger should have (especially in the this price point).

Right now the Korg PA2X is on my list (and drum roll..., Ian's going to mess hit pants) even the Tyros 3 is a contender on my list. I'd really love to know what and IF Roland has anything for the future. I like the G-70.., but even it's missing a few things that (for my needs) would be an issue.

Squeak, what is missing on the G70, that would be an issue with you?..Just curious..are you in need of a sampler, or MP3 player? I can't think of anything else the Korg would offer over the Roland..I can think of a few more things the Roland offers over the Korg..

Sampler and User Voice Slots. I was pretty shocked to hear the G-70 doesn't have dedicated user voice slots.

Don't get me wrong.., I love Roland and the G-70's a nice arranger.., but I need an arranger that functions more like a synth and the PA fits that better IMO.

I'm also considering the Tyros 3 (which is quite shocking to some I'm sure.., Ian will probably mess himself when hearing it).

**Just to add something else Fran. I've come to accept that regardless how much I or anyone else bitches and moans about it.., arranger makers have no interest in producing a TOTL arranger with a modern set of styles. Sooooo.., knowing this and having no choice but to accept it.., I know that at this point if I want a TOTL arranger with modern styles.., I'll have to buy a TOTL arranger and write the styles myself.

That's one of the reasons the Korg PA is on the top of my list. Korg IMO has a sound set with a little more bite to it compared to the other makers. It's hard to explain.., but their sounds IMO have a harder feel to them.

With the PA's editing abilities (internally) it won't be hard to tweek patches and kits to modern them up a tad. Add to that the sampler and it opens up many more possibilities. Whichever TOTL arranger I get.., I'll end up locking myself away for a while.., and not being heard from here or any other forum and just buck down with writing modern styles that suit my needs.

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Looks like from what I'm told. Full Sequencing and Style editing will be done on OS 3.0 which is in the works.

Ted from CMC told me that Ketron is willing to implement changes directly from user requests as long as they are for the greater good. Meaning I asked for a One touch setting like the Tyros and Korg have, so we will see.

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Thanks for the info Frank. I can't imagine Ketron leaving those features off or not offering them at all down the line with an OS upgrade.

Hi Squeak,
if you're seriously considering an Audya,
I'd wait & see what what functions Ketron implement for style creation & style editing ,if you are planning on creating your own styles.

The style creation/editing functions on my SD1+ were a joke, compared to what's on my PA800.
What was passed off as style editing on SD1+ was nothing more than being able to alter voices, panning, etc
copying tracks from one style part to another ( provided the patterns were the same length) If you needed to fix a wrong note, you had to rerecord the track in realtime. If you wanted to involve a PC in your style recording process, you had to record your style parts from pc to sd via midi cable.

Hopefully Ketron have finally realized, some people do want to record their own styles, & that better onboard editing functions are required.

best wishes
Rikki






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I'm curios what they'll add..., but the more I look at it I think the PA model will probably be my best option..., as I need an arranger that functions more like a synth. The PA line has A LOT of editing options for patches.., plus the sampler reads AKAI!!!!!

I plan on using whichever TOTL arranger I get to write a slew of modern styles. The PA offers a lot in the tweeking department which impresses me quite a bit too.

good luck Squeak...awaiting more reports on what you choose.

I raised Audya up and bashed at it whatever but i never gave up on PA, it is still a machine
that no other would substitute, there is just no way in hell, just take the style editor on PA:
It is a complete full sequenecer where you can do as much as you can on Cubase, i mean anything.
Oh, this goes for the stupid PA50 too, thich is now maybe 800$.

Oddly enough Nedim.., I'm quite confident that given the Triton based sound engine on the PA-50 and its internal editing options.., I could probably pull off some very nice modern styles on it--even though it's pretty dated now.

One of the reasons I was looking at the PA is as you stated..., GOOD MIDI USE. If I get the PA it'll function as my stand alone hardware unit.., but would then double as my keys for my software set up.

It is your choice but all i can say is that once you get it you would NEVER EVER regret it,remembet those words.

I'm not considering the PA-50.., just wanted to make a point as to its abilities to create modern styles compared to some of the others out there. The PA I'm lookin at is the PA2X.

Then you wont need an arranger for the next 10 years...if you are a true musician and not like me.

How about Break/fills? Try playing a few Ray Charles songs without the Breaks. For my use, good breaks/fills are far more important than a Sampler or micro style editor. I can find all the styles I need very easily these days without creating them.
I do agree there should be a Style Creator, but I don't really care, because I won't use it anyway. I do use the facility to revoice, change volumes, mute parts etc., but I haven't had to create any styles since I dumped, I mean sold, my Korg. With that you do need a style creator, because there just isn't much of a variety of the styles I use available.
This could well be the case with those of you wanting more "modern" styles such as hip-hop, ethnic, "dance", etc. If this is the true, then you probably should not consider the Audya until the Style Creator is available.
I suspect than not more than a handful of the people slamming Ketron would buy one if it were perfect in every way (as if that would ever happen with ANY arranger) because of the price. It's o.k. Everybody doesn't need a Mercedes or Lamborghini. That's why Yamaha sells so many Fords.
DonM

Regarding the Audya:

10% will say "I'm getting one!"
50% will complain that it's too expensive, heavy, flimsy, no style creator, no sequencer, etc.
30% will say "it doesn't have enough modern sounds and styles in it!"
10% will say "maybe I'll get one someday".

Of the 20% who indicated that they might or definitely would purchase, 0.5% will actually do so, yielding total sales of 4 keyboards.

How can people say that's its flimsy if just a few have them. I can agree in part with rest but, Ketron was never known for flimsy. I sure the styles creator and other feaures will come down the pike soon enough. But the issue of why people bash ketron simply becuase its too expensive for them to buy.

flimsy..."Having little substance or significance."

I sell all the big guys, and each company has their strong and weak points.

I love the PA series, but there are allot of styles that are missing, and I don't like how the fills can not be activated when hitting a variation, ex fill to variation, they have some work around but not to my liking.

Yamaha has great styles, and plenty of them, covering everything, hate the latin section, but they are 2 short, most of them are 2 measures long. vocalizer/mic input is sub par. great solo voices, but they don't have an easy way to select right hand sounds, if your playing a style that has 1 touch setting all set, and you want to play a sax, you have to make sure you have the selected R1, and turn off the others if they are on then select trumpet. Korg has Performances which has everything from layers to effects all set.

The Audya is a very expensive piece of machinery, but so far the company has been helping to mold it with updates and addtions.

I'm not saying this will be the best, but they are trying and hopefully get closer to it's value

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If you want to play live and thats where you will be spending most of your time on the board the Korg PA2x is the best choice..

This from a very happy Tyros 3 owner who sold a PA2x after four months...(because we don't use an Arranger live)

Squeak quote.." I was pretty shocked to hear the G-70 doesn't have dedicated user voice slots. "

Squeak, this is a typical misconception of abilities on a G70...

The G70 can edit tones..Vibrato(delay, depth, rate)
TVF/TVA (attack, decay, release)
TVF (resonance, cutoff)..

You can use and edit multiple effects..

And you can layer, velocity switch, as well as individual editing up to 6 tones for the "fattest" sound you will ever need..

Now the user saving of voices...that folks think do not exist...The G70 User program is as good as it gets...You can use the user programs as your user tone slots..Hold functions (your choices)..can lock out changes you do not desire..as styles, and many other holds...This allows you to use the user programs as your "voice slots"..


Now see if you can edit 6 tones ( up to 12 oscillators in Korg talk)..all edited to your own desire...BTW: the sliders make this a breeze...Setting them up with velocity switching, pedal control and multiple effects........On the Korg..

I think the G70 is just as capable if not more than the PA2x..

I am not trying to persuade you, I just wanted to enlighten folks the G70 can handle edits too..

And as DonM mentioned the lack of active breaks (sorta a fill) on the G70...needs to be originated from existing fills ( a very easy edit on the G70..just allow silent space in a existing style and re-save the style....and if you want the Roland "silent break"..assign the break to one of the dedicated writable buttons...

Thanks for explaining that in more detail Fran. I do like the G-70.., but Roland's sound set.., even in their TOTL arranger IMO (although quite good) isn't as "hard" when compared to the PA line.

Whichever TOTL arranger I get.., it will not only be used for more traditional styles.., but I'm going to venture out and do what no one else is doing and use it to create modern styles. Korg's patches IMO have a slightly more edgy sound to them. I'm also needing good quality orchestral patches too. That's one area that Roland IMO has always let ME down. I sold my Roland Fantom X6 because (although it was awesome at modern styles of music) it just failed so terribly at anything orchestral related (I even had my Roland expanded with the Orchestral Board).

What I need is an arranger that has a sound set that has a little bit of a bite. I think Korg's PA line has always had that little extra bite. PLUS one HUGE thing for the PA is that sampler that reads AKAI format!!!!!

I love orchestral music too.., so what I've decided on that end is to go TOTAL SOFTWARE! Some great orchestral software apps out there that make my (now sold) Expanded Roland Fantom X6 look like child's play.

As I look down the spec lists.., and compare features/sounds I have to say that I'm leaning more to the Korg PA2X.

**I will say that I at one time considered the G-70.., but after installing the orchestral board on my X6.., I just knew from there that even if I had bought the G-70 and expanded it with the orchestral board I wouldn't be happy.

One thing to remember, Squeak(but you probably already know) is that the Roland G70 is out of production and no longer receiving updates...the PA2XPro just had a substantial upgrade, and there will probably be more in the future.

It looks like your best bet, considering your requirements.

The G-70 being discontinued is also a concern of mine too. I think the G-70 sounds great.., and IMO has one of the best acoustic pianos on any arranger (cough cough FANTOM X).., but IMO I don't think it'll hit as hard as the Korg PA would in the area of modern styles. It's almost hard to explain really. We all have different tastes in patch quality.., but Korg's patches have that little extra bite. It's on their synths and their arrangers. Both lines have that little extra bite ya know. Also that big thing is a sampler. I'll only be able to get so far by tweeking internally.., which I know on its own will yield amazing results using a Korg sound set.., but an arranger with a sampler that READS AKAI! Is a HUGE plus

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No doubt Korgs voices have more of a raw edge and thats what makes it a great live board over the more polished sounding Tyros which can easily be replaced with recorded CDs made from it which is how we use it..

Ian, the G70 is still a current model, and just had a new 3.2 OS release..better check your source guy..He is letting you down..

BTW: It appears the E-80 is the model being liquidated..that usually follows a big reduced price..

E-80 sells less than the G70 based on "current" dealer prices..



[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 05-27-2009).]

My bad, Fran, I thought the G70 was discontinued and the E-80 was still current.

I thought I saw it posted here, but, again my mistake.

it's not 3.2 that was released for G-70
it's 3.02 that was released
so the update is probably minor

will check it out though to see if it's worth my time

ye very minor indeed...

"The update is a bug fix, which fixes the problem with G-70 showing the piano sound family, when choosing the brass sound family."

i never had this problem but whatever...