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#266833 - 06/30/09 05:24 PM
July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 03/21/03
Posts: 3748
Loc: Motown
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Announcing the July 2009 SZ eJam 2. This is not a contest but an expo of the various playing and presentation styles of our SynthZone members. We want to hear YOU. Participants are asked to record an mp3 or video version of one, or both of the following songs: Everything - by Michael Buble... This Masquerade - by Leon Russell There are only three simple guidelines: 1. Record the song; upload to on an available internet site; post to this thread and include a link to the hosting site. Please include your ID, initials or name as part of your song title. 2. In your post please give us pertinent information, such as: instrument make, style/tempo used, patches used, recording info, whatever... 3. Be polite to others. No badmouthing or sniping. If you can't be nice, please don't post. You can play it instrumentally or with vocals, using your choice of instrument(s). Play it fancy or plain, straight or creative – you choose. Record it in one take with an antique tape recorder or in multi takes and tracks on Pro Tools – you choose. Good luck. We’re looking forward to listening to YOUR rendition of the song(s). Cass Pawlowski cassp50@gmail.com http://www.cassponline.com
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#266843 - 07/06/09 10:24 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Originally posted by cassp: Fran, a very god job, and it got better as the song progressed. The comping and improv solos are great. The jazz guitar sounds very elec piano-ish when chording, but the guitar solo is very good. The organ could have been a tad louder, not much. I liked it! Thanks for your rendition; it was a good solid hit for me.
... an aside regarding the guitar sound: I know there are many to choose from and all that, but the S900 patch sounded more realistic than the G70 - and it didn't have anything to do with technique IMO because both guitar techniques are very good. Thanks for making my evening. 
Lastly, how many takes or tracks? The chording sounds so full it would be impossible for me to play that kind of comping while still playig a lead.The Bass, drums, Jazz guitar and organ were sequenced first (midi)..played into an audio recorder (AcidPro), while playing two hand piano... Saved as a MP3 @ 320 bitrate..
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#266852 - 07/07/09 02:48 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Originally posted by cassp: Fran, this is a G70 version of a SMF, right? This really shows a little more of the possible guitar sound, but I like your version better. Where'd you find this?
Cass, this was an older SMF I had (5 parts), I modified each track and used better G70 tones and effects...My intention was to show the G70 has some decent tones too..The guitar is the RequintGt2,V-Jazz brush drums, Blow Alto Vib , Grand X piano, AcBass 88 Pro.. I edited the Sax and Guitar tones and effects..
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#266853 - 07/07/09 02:52 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14352
Loc: NW Florida
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Just been so busy between gigs and the studio that the G70 is seldom at the house for any length of time. Sorry. I still want to take a VERY tardy crack at last month's tune, too, but work comes first, I'm afraid... BTW, I enjoyed Pasadoble's version immensely, and it definitely bears out everything I have thought about Yamaha's guitar sounds. They are, without doubt, the most authentic, playable samples in any arranger IMO... I am still upset that we spend so much time attacking or defending ONE arranger, when the truth is that there is NO one 'best' arranger. One make is the best at guitars, another at drums, another at synths, etc.. I feel a FAR better use of our time is a concerted effort to demand that our manufacturers implement a simple, standardized set of MIDI codes so that two or more arrangers can be linked, and function as one... Good for them (more overall sales), good for us (no more deciding which compromise we are most willing to make), good for our audiences... I can only imagine how good a linked G70/T3/PA2Xpro could sound... 
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#266856 - 07/07/09 06:23 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Recorded on G70..Jazz guitar 2, XV ac bass, Stereo strings, Grand X piano, Skate organ, and Jazz L/R drum kit.. Served up with the usual Fran Carango touch...thanks for sharing your work, buddy. The G70 sounds awesome. Ian
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#266861 - 07/07/09 10:04 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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[6:26:28 PM] Francis Carango: So how did you like my 2 Masquerade tunes..One I played piano over..The second one I just re-worked the midi file [6:27:02 PM] Francis Carango: and naturally did my G70 changes [6:28:59 PM] Donny Pesce: 1 min [6:36:17 PM] Donny Pesce: fran Ill tell ya the song you played sounds so real sound wise it sounds like a real band....yammmy is nice but soo freakin compressed [6:37:48 PM] Francis Carango: Can I quote you on SZ?  [6:38:41 PM] Donny Pesce: yea [6:38:44 PM] Donny Pesce: its true [6:38:55 PM] Francis Carango: I think so [6:39:26 PM] Francis Carango: My same feelings about Ketron..it sounds live [6:39:40 PM] Donny Pesce: yes don has an audya comin [6:39:44 PM] Donny Pesce: few days [6:39:46 PM] Francis Carango: I know [6:40:34 PM] Donny Pesce: the second ver you posted sounds like a real jazz band [6:41:51 PM] Francis Carango: I used sounds that I liked [6:42:12 PM] Donny Pesce: it just has a live stage sound
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#266872 - 07/08/09 12:28 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
No, I just wonder how it would sound without the bongo through the whole thing. To my ears, the pitch of the bongo was a distraction to everything else going on.
Yeah, I agree. It was a distraction...made it sound amateurish, as if it wasn't meant to be there, and was left in anyway.
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#266874 - 07/08/09 12:44 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Fran Carango: Maybe it was there for the Synth Zone touch...Like if someone wanted to play along with the tune...Heaven knows many folks have a timing problem... I don't know Fran...I can't imagine there would be much room to play over...it was a trifle busy, but your timing was much better this time around.  Personally, I think you didn't really notice the bongo, until it was pointed out to you. I always consider a recording, especially on a public forum, should accurately represent the submitter's skills, even if it is just simply editing an SMF....but, I guess, to some, it doesn't matter.
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#266877 - 07/08/09 01:42 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14352
Loc: NW Florida
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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Yes I could have taken out the bongos or lowered the volume with in Roland's drum editing....
If it is important, I can re-do it..Let me know...
That it didn't bother you was surprising... it is a dull, boring, completely undynamic part, that MIGHT have worked better when played through one of the old Sound Canvas kits that had thinner sounds, but is far too 'in your face' here to work well, IMO... Perhaps it MIGHT work better if you changed it to a cabasa sound and lowered it to where it just provides gentle rhythm, not this incessant hammering? BTW, Fran, have you tried using multiple drumkits on SMF's in the G70? Pretty easy to setup, and then you can pick and chose which sounds use the old SC drum sounds, and which use the V-Kits... You simply have to copy the sound from one track and paste into the other, then delete the original (or blend together). A good way to stretch more mileage out of your SMF's.... (Oh, and don't forget to slide the cabasa or shaker tracks back [early] a few ticks to sit those new V-Kit shakers in the pocket - they are late if you are dead on the beat with the note).
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#266898 - 07/09/09 06:57 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 09/09/02
Posts: 2204
Loc: Florida, USA
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#266902 - 07/10/09 09:26 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7306
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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This tune and anything written by Leon Russell is good stuff!
Good work, all! It is bitter-sweet for me right now. The guitar work on the George Benson version was outstanding, and something I tried to emulate on the job.
Unfortunately, I had corrective surgery on my left sholder Monday to fix nerve damage as a result of an assault by a kid trying to break into my warehouse.
I have no feeling in the fingers of my left hand, and have to face the possibioity that, at a minimum, I'll no longer be able to play bass guitar, left-handed bass on a B-3 or very intricate stuff on guitar. I tried to record a tune on guitar and failed miserably.
After more than 50 years in the business, I have to face the possibility that this very important part of my life is over, or, at the minimum, seriously altered.
I have been able to play some jobs on the arrangers I have a love/hate relationship with. That, plus some "less intricate" guitar
work (with a lot of practice) may be what's left, and I guess I should be thankful for that.
Just goes to show you never know what's around the corner.
Be careful, and enjoy every second you've got an instrument in your hands.
Russ
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 07-10-2009).]
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#266907 - 07/10/09 10:30 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Hi friends, Here is my arrangement of This Masquerade...another one played "live" during a clinic/demo this morning...played in one pass (Quick Record) on my trusty Yamaha PSR-S900, no edits, no overdubs, and using a modified on-board style, R&B Ballad. I used Cool!SuitcaseEP, SA Sax, and layered Marcato and ChamberStrings. MP3 is here: http://www.4shared.com/file/117212716/e5054882/ThisMasquerade1.html The modified style, for those who might find a use for it, is here: http://www.4shared.com/file/117211222/dd3bb25d/MasqueradeBld2S595.html Change the OTS if you're using a T2/T3. I hope you enjoy my rendition of this great Leon Russell classic. Ian
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#266908 - 07/10/09 10:51 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 2207
Loc: Dayton, OH USA
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Originally posted by ianmcnll: Hi friends,
Here is my arrangement of This Masquerade...another one played "live" during a clinic/demo this morning...played in one pass (Quick Record) on my trusty Yamaha PSR-S900, no edits, no overdubs, and using a modified on-board style, R&B Ballad.
I used Cool!SuitcaseEP, SA Sax, and layered Marcato and ChamberStrings.
MP3 is here: http://www.4shared.com/file/117212716/e5054882/ThisMasquerade1.html
The modified style, for those who might find a use for it, is here:
http://www.4shared.com/file/117211222/dd3bb25d/MasqueradeBld2S595.html
Change the OTS if you're using a T2/T3.
I hope you enjoy my rendition of this great Leon Russell classic.
Ian
"...that was "This Masquerade" by the artist known as Ian here on WJAZ, your home for jazz and conversation...from the foot of Mt. Belzoni. Sweet music, eh?" Nice feel, Ian... ------------------ Bill in Dayton [This message has been edited by Bill in Dayton (edited 07-10-2009).]
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#266919 - 07/11/09 05:16 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Member
Registered: 07/01/03
Posts: 160
Loc: England
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Cassp, Ian, Bill in Denton, Eddie,
Thank you for your kind comments.
Cassp, I can’t be the resident Theatre Organist,
I can’t read music, I’ve never had a music lesson
in my life.
I taught myself chords and melody from a
magazine, when I was asked to play piano
with a band. They said they wanted me to play the same
chords as them, (some sort of tradition I think) lol, I didn’t know
what they were talking about at the time, but I said I did play
the same chords as them, but not necessary at the same time.
I am pleased I learnt chords and melody, as the band broke up
after a year, I carried on gigging for the next eleven years,
until I had major surgery on my spine, and couldn’t carry
the gear.
Now I just play for my own pleasure, with some close friends.
Leon Redbone, never heard of him !!!
Must go now, I have a broken guitar string to mend.
where’s my Panama, and shads. Lol…….( Wikipedia )
Fred Wren.
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#266922 - 07/12/09 04:27 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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My heartfelt thanks to Bebop, Spalding, Tony Mads, John Squance, Captain Russ, 124, Bill in Dayton, Cassp, and Eddie.
Your kind and generous comments are much appreciated.
Ian the Grateful
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#266927 - 07/15/09 12:17 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi Cassp as Tony said, "be careful what you ask for" Probably my first & last contribution. haahaa as I never record anything. The style I used is based on the unplugged latin in my Korg PA800. The last 2 variations have been modified. I replaced the accomp. tracks with guitar & a guitar mode track (from another style.) Redid the intro's & endings. If anyone would like a copy of the style, let me know. Don't know if it was the right choice of style for the song? but had fun doing it anyway. http://www.4shared.com/file/118189168/e3bc68c7/masquerade.html best wishes Rikki p.s. Deliberately haven't listened to anyone else's songs as yet, just in case I chickened out. Now I can download them haahaa Originally posted by cassp:
WE NEED MORE ENTRIES, FOLKS. IT'S ONLY THE MIDDLE OF THE MONTH.
bump
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#266928 - 07/15/09 03:36 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5522
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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Hi Rikki
I thought it was a good job,indeed. I like the style and the sound of the sax. you ought to post more of your work.
Bernie
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#266933 - 07/15/09 12:57 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Member
Registered: 07/01/03
Posts: 160
Loc: England
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“Be careful what you ask for” Cassp, as there is a short interlude, I have recorded an instrumental ‘Masquerade’. 1st I would like to apologize to all those talented musicians, like Ian, Pasadoble, and yourself, Etc and I do appreciate, the many hours of practice, they must have put in, learning their music, plus may be the accessional rap on the knuckles. 2nd I hope I am not barred from any future e-jams. Style- Piano Swing Rag + Pads Fred the untutored http://www.box.net/shared/4hxo0bnfsh
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#266948 - 07/15/09 11:36 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi Everyone, thank you so much for the encouragement. I've only ever played songs to entertain myself, I get too nervous to play in front of anyone. Must have been feeling reckless yesterday, when I posted. haahaa Cass, unfortunately I don't really have a style, I'm just a reader, I basically follow sheet music. Just finished downloading all the songs, I'll be back. best wishes Rikki Originally posted by cassp:
I would have liked to hear a short vamp at the end, just to hear your playing style a little more. Cass
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#266953 - 07/16/09 01:01 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7306
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Chas, I wanted to yell out, "GIVE ME SOME"!
I'm not surprised, but certainly pleased. Reminds me of my fondest memories on bandstands when like minded and skilled players take a good tune and make it great.
Reminded me of a time when I went to see Richard "Groove" Holmes in Cincinnati. He used that same "pure joy" vocalization that just comes out when you hit the groove.
You hit that groove, man. And you did the C-1 proud.
And I'd be proud to be on the stand with you
anytime we could arrange it. I can tell that our music attitudes are in complete synch. Must be "mental epilepsy" or something.
Hands down, an outstanding, professional, enjoyable job.
Somehow, I'm not at all surprised.
Russ
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#266955 - 07/18/09 09:06 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 03/21/03
Posts: 3748
Loc: Motown
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#266959 - 07/20/09 06:12 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi Cass, thank you, I'll have a listen. Maybe members who make song suggestions, should have to agree to post a recording of the song?? or maybe if no one has recorded a particular song after a couple of weeks, change it for something else? If I remember correctly, Fran did suggest Lady of Spain,& me the Godfather Theme, both equally as popular haa haa haa. Come on guys, we'd luv to hear some more songs. best wishes Rikki Originally posted by cassp: No one has yet chosen to do the Buble' tune. I think we all have our reasons for not trying something new and relatively unfamiliar. Buble's version is easily accessible on the net in mp3 format. Mail me if you need it.
Maybe the person who first suggested it should lead the way... hint, hint Diki.
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Band in a Box 2022
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#266962 - 07/23/09 11:58 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Cass, just a suggestion. I think there should be three selections with at least one being a 'standard' (Funny Valentine, How deep is the ocean, Misty, Who can I turn to, Mood for love, You'd be so nice to come home to, What are you doing the rest of my life, I'm glad there's you, Ipanema, etc.). Then let the other two be Country, Latin, Pop, Jazz, Blues, Rock, Gospel, whatever. In fact, you can omit strict jazz tunes since the jazz guys will be okay with the 'standards' and nobody else is going to tackle the strictly jazz tunes (think Monk, Bill Evans, Wayne Shorter, etc.). I think using one 'standard' each month as an anchor genre', it will guarantee more participation.....or not. Just an opinion.
chas
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#266965 - 07/23/09 06:47 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 14376
Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
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Originally posted by rikkisbears:
Hi Cass,
personally I think Chas's idea is a good one.
I for one, luv Standards.
best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cgiles:
[B]Cass, just a suggestion. I think there should be three selections with at least one being a 'standard' It's a GREAT idea... especially if it keeps chas, ian, and paso doble contributing ... I certainly don't mean to insult anyone here, because everyone has done a fine job, but I think many of us, if not all, would agree, these guys just took it to another level ... t.
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#266967 - 07/24/09 01:51 PM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by trident:
Ian, although you say you are content with the S900, I can't help but wonder how amazing the Tyros 3 would sound when played in the same manner, and how many jaws would drop if the SA2 sax was used.
Hi Trident, First of all, thank you for the wonderful compliments, and it tickles me to be included with such fine players as Chas and Rikki. Yes, I am very content with S900...it just suits me to a "t"...it has everything I need, especially real "portability". I still have the Tyros3 here with me on my sample account...I just might do the next jam selection on it, especially if I can showcase a few SA2 voices. The SA1 voices are terrific as well...the Tyro2 was no slouch, and the S900 has "the best of" the former's SA voices....that's also why I am so pleased with the latter. Thanks for the suggestion. [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 07-24-2009).]
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#266976 - 07/26/09 04:54 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Originally posted by cassp:
I like Bill's suggestion, It Had to Be You, but today I heard an old man playing an alto sax at the market. He was playing [b]On the Sunny Side of the Street. I thought to myself how appropriate that might be. The melody lends itself to improv and the chord changes are pretty basic. What do you say to that?[/B] I would say that means that YOU have chosen all three songs, so what's the point in soliciting suggestions from others. Everyone doesn't have the same taste in music and as much as YOU see the merit of your selection.......well, you get the idea. I can see Russ jumping all over Jambalaya. Oh well, guess I'll start practicing Achey Breakey Heart for next months selection. Here's an idea, how about posting a list of ten diverse tunes (you might even include some previously rejected suggestions) and give 'zoners two weeks to vote on a selection via public posts. If no one responds or if there is no clear winner, THEN YOU choose the selection. This is just a suggestion, I know from experience that teachers (out of necessity) aren't used to running a democracy. In the end it doesn't matter, but if it's greater participation that you're after, I think you have to start with the song selection process. chas
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#266986 - 07/27/09 09:33 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 08/22/04
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Loc: Athens, Greece
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My personal belief is that the number of songs would remain at 3 or maybe possibly expand to no more than 5, of which the 2 remaining should NOT be "standards".
Anything less than 3 (again, in my opinion) uneccessarily restricts the choice and maybe the number of players willing to try, and on the other hand, too many choices will equal a virtual jukebox, something like "pick any tune and post it".
I would love to see/hear more people participating, and think that the above will have a positive effect.
On the matter of "standards" (of which I don't know or ever heard ANY before, because of my age and where I live)***, surely tha majority of the SZ family is American based and of a certain age (no pun intented, you all sound fresh), so naturally they tend to pick them. Someone at the start of the subject, mentioned that contemporary "pop" tunes of later decades (70s - 80s) should be included. I for one would love to hear some of them.
Thanks for listening.
*** Please post the original artist or at least a representative cover artist for any song included in the proposed list, so us uneducated can find what the "example" song should sound like.
[This message has been edited by trident (edited 07-27-2009).]
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#266993 - 07/28/09 08:51 AM
Re: July eJam #2
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Originally posted by cgiles: EVERY TIME WE SAY GOODBYE - for Donny (and his little friend, John Dileo), Scott Yee, Gary (Travlin' easy), KingFrog, et al. Heck, even Zuki could incorporate that change "from major to minor" (or was it minor to major ).
chasChas, Rumors of my untimely demise have been greatly exaggerated. I still check the forum once in a while, mainly times when I'm not working and the weather is too nasty to go sailing. When the weather is fit, the computer stays turned off, and at the crack of dawn I'm hoisting the sails and sailing to various ports in the Chesapeake Bay's upper reaches. Thanks for thinking of me, Gary
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