I've been around online communities in one form or another going right back to usenet twenty years ago, and I've seen it all before.



Diki's posts are the only reason I check in here, if I'm honest. He manifestly knows what he's talking about, and I respect that.

Diki is like me...sometimes people expect to just be nice to them no matter what and nice to
whatever music they post, we cant CLAP to anything so Diki isnt doing it either.

I really enjoy Diki's knowledgeability and his frankness.

Nevertheless, I think we should remember that the focus of this forum, keyboards - that they're just machines. They are just things. The people who are members should be treated more deferentially than the keyboards they talk about because they have feelings, emotions, soul, etc.

I don't know what history Diki has with Fran. I don't read enough posts here. But I do know that if there wasn't any history, that Diki's reply, while factually accurate, was heavy handed. There's a custom in the realm of courtesy called letting someone you disagree with save face. You don't even have to be all nicey nicey, but instead of saying, "You don't know your ass from a hole in the wall," you can say, "In all due respect, you don't know your ass from a hole in the wall." You can say, "Perhaps you haven't read the whole manual, but you are way off." You can say, "It's hard to lend credence to you as an expert on arrangers when you haven't posted your songs - why don't you?"

But as I said, I don't know what history Diki has with Fran, and Fran might have been rude to Diki in the past.

However, please correct me if my recollection is incorrect (and I will edit this post), Scott Yee, once posted a song that he did on his website, that Fran was among the people who gave scathing reviews, making fun of his voice in a meanspirited fashion. What I mean is that the purpose of the review wasn't to help Scott on the path of improving his song but rather to hurt his feelings.

In this light, it is surprising that Fran would be so sensitive.

I, being a Yamaha player, am on a different planet from Fran who is always slamming Yamaha, albeit sometimes in gest. But I appreciate his participation here on the forum. I will be sorry to see him go.

I think this is a pretty good forum, and we should let the shit slide off.

I remember when DNJ told me that he was shocked that I did 500 shows a year given how out of tune my voice was, I let it slide off - and I bought pitch correction software and several months later I started doing vocal training.

Beakybird

Same here. I have one of each (1 worthless, 1 priceless).

Priceless - Traynor K4, the best little standalone keyboard amp (in it's class) I've heard for organ and leslie sim.

Worthless - Podium 802's, currently sitting silently in my studio, a state in which they will likely remain (and yet, because of Fran's remarkable salesmanship (the ability to convince people that you know what you're talking about), I'm tempted to get a pair of 1502's. n-n-n-naaaah.

chas

PS: I'd like to say that the 802's would be good stage monitors, but I think the sound YOU hear should be just as good as what the audience hears. JMO. I have used them as extensions from the K4 and they were ok, the overall sound being dominated by the K4. But I'm straying off-topic. As always, when taking advice from unknown sources, caveat emptor.

I am not so very long on the forum but what what I like about Diki is and I hope I say this right in English he is honest and direct to the point. He knows what he is talking about and did his homework. Just my 2 cnts

Once you've been here long enough, history certainly does come into it. I'm sorry when newcomers or those that visit infrequently kind of get in the middle of these things, but, to be honest, Beakybird has pretty much summed it up...

You'll notice that i RARELY (if ever) respond as bluntly to those that don't use a self assumed mantle of 'expert' status to bully others. That, more than anything, is the thing that totally gets my goat, and makes my blood boil. Some of the MOST opinionated posters on this forum consistently post music that is amateur in most regards. Perhaps they can sing OK (some of them ), but playing skills are barely past beginner level. And yet these members take on the mantle of 'big brother', and sit and pass judgment and offer gear advice as if they were the best player out there...

And, I'm sorry, but as I said above, to 'value' someone's opinion, it has to be demonstrably right. You wouldn't take driving advice, or someone's opinion about a car, if their car showed signs of being crashed all the time! As to the Traynor's, chas... even a stopped clock is right twice a day! For every G70 or Traynor decision, you have a Podium or Mediastation to balance it! Buy as much as Fran does (and sell it e week later ) and you are bound to get SOMETHING right.

But in fairness, although my writing style is a little dry, ask yourself if you've seen me unload on some poor newbie... I honestly try to be as diplomatic as I can when posting to those that aren't forceful and blunt in their own views. But those that come here to lay down the law had better be able to back it up!

"Speak softly and carry a big stick...."
"Diplomacy -- the art of saying "Nice doggy" until you can find a stick"

Quotes from great men. Seems that both of them realize that diplomacy WITHOUT a stick is a recipe for getting rolled over on. Look up Neville Chamberlain if you don't believe me...

What i like about diki is that he will never admit that he is wrong... and that he sees hid opinions as the truth and the only truth...

Actually he keeps the forums alive and prevents people from falling asleep, thats for sure



[This message has been edited by Bachus (edited 08-22-2009).]

Diki
This is the first time I must disagree with you.

Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell and making them look forward to the trip.

You also have VLBST let’s see who can figure that one out.

I have really enjoyed your postings and you have to be one of the most articulate individuals I've ever come across. You certainly keep things interesting! Keep up the good work.

Jerry

Sorry, chum, but I am often proved wrong, here and in life in general. But that is all I'm asking for. PROVE me wrong...

I don't offer opinion only, without any evidence for it. Yes, my posts get a bit long winded, but that's mostly because I try to explain with example or reasoning. Having gone to that trouble, it's kind of hard to accept a simple 'you're wrong' and that's IT... Show me WHY I'm wrong, explain to me HOW I got it wrong, and I can learn from that. I may agree or disagree, but at least I know WHAT I'm agreeing or disagreeing with...

'I like Yamaha', 'I like Roland', 'I like Korg'... That doesn't really tell me much. But articulate why, and you'll find me often agreeing with what you say. There's MUCH I like about other arrangers, and much that I don't like about my G70. I have always been one of the few that saw beyond their personal choice to allow criticism of it, where due. Once again, fanboy gushing is another thing that gets my goat... No matter how well anything works for YOU (or me! ), there are still things that can be improved. I can think of LOADS I'd like Roland to improve... can't you acknowledge the same for your choice? Go on, try it... it doesn't hurt, really!

Diki the Wrong

Ya riightt..like that fat ass is ever gonna fit through the synthzone door..