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#271253 - 09/18/09 09:47 AM
Re: Are we pushing too Hard
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Registered: 01/14/05
Posts: 318
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Originally posted by Diki: But do you honestly 'believe' that this move to Auto-Tuned vocals has actually IMPROVED modern pop music?
** Oh most astoundingly "Yes"!The first time i heard that 'Believe',i expierenced a completely new sound & refreshed i was!
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Nowadays, they massage and 'improve' everybody up to and including great singers like Celine Dion, to what end? Do they sound 'better'?
**Again yes!The sound better,the band 'Stereo's' woould still be in a painfully class of mainstream i couldn;t tolerate to listen to on t.v.(i would'nt actually buy their music though as it's just as you say "Cher'd" out with no magic of their own clonings and copy the cher cat)but it is much preferabal to me.
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It is no wonder that a large percentage of kids interested in music listen preferentially to the music of the seventies. Even THEY can recognize when something is REAL, not computer enhanced to the point of roboticism. I would have to take robotism'd over living through 70's bunk.There was no beat,little bass,and way to much strings used.I don;t know which kids in question are being refered to that are into the 70's music.My personal opinion is music was heartbeatless and basically an unliving entity until 1984-ish,when the world slowly started waking up. Keyboard companies are starting to slowly fall asleep with their non inventions though.There should be 'obvious' new things added,other than gimics.Why not throw in a something shocking every 2 releases to show their on top of things,like the D-Beam device on roland.That was refreshing,though borderline gimmiky.But the T3??what the heck is that all about,that is most def what the T2 should of been long ago.For example a good new inention for me would be a wireless remote that goes into my mouth to ADD to the footswitch function and not take THAT function away either...on & on i could go why i'm not buying a 3ft 30lbs hunk of plastic for $4000...am i being to hard on wanting perection?NO,i think KB departments are being to hard on testing my patince on what i know that THEIR purposely holding back on putting out. Good grief,by now KB's should be in the 24track area,and have a whole slew of little pitch bend type wheels for ALL tracks for controlling brightness,harm etc instead of having to go into those pages and waste time pulling them up.I'm impatient because i know a time is coming where a KB & it's owner are going to be of MUCH more oneness and not all the current fluing around the keyboards buttons like some gymnist excersisng. Then ther's the registration banks,again..what a nightmare those are for needing a blasted computer to know which banks are open,used,or never to be erased(yet (for me) continually mistaking overwritten.There should BY NOW be a screen dedicated JUST FOR THIS where ALL is viewable on all work in those banks OR at the very least a 'Lock' function that asks "are you sure,you have crap there you wanted to keep on such and such a day"...on&on i could go..to me not 'harsh at all,rather "lazy' is the correct word usage for this topic on manufactures. [This message has been edited by mr9000 (edited 09-18-2009).]
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#271254 - 09/18/09 10:54 AM
Re: Are we pushing too Hard
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14268
Loc: NW Florida
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It's obvious that your take on the seventies is 'dance' music orientated, or you might remember the birth of 'rock', with Zeppelin, Cream and all that. Or you might acknowledge the birth of punk (mid 70's), roots reggae (mid 70's), heavy metal, Jazz fusion, Steely Dan, funk and, let us not forget, the earliest rap and hiphop (Afrika Bambaata, Kurtis Blow and the Sugarhill Gang).... It wasn't ALL Abba, the Bee Gees and Donna Summer Nearly everything we listen to today has its' roots in the seventies. And, to be honest, little today has managed to surpass it, except technically. Yes, there was little bass on the records, because they WERE records Heavy bass used to make the needle jump out of the groove. We turned it up at the amp... problem solved! But one thing you can be assured of. Every single singer you listen to from the seventies performed those songs entirely by themselves. No AutoTune, no 'comping', no studio trickery. Few of today's stars could even dare to sing on record without it (or their sales would plummet!). And an awful lot of them use AutoTune for live shows, too, or mime to tracks. This would have got them booed at a concert, but nowadays, no-one cares. Karaoke Nation...
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#271255 - 09/18/09 11:16 AM
Re: Are we pushing too Hard
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Registered: 10/08/00
Posts: 4715
Loc: West Virginia
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Right on Diki!!!!! Shoot.., 99.99% of hip hop and rap today (even a lot of pop)is something they reached back to and borrowed from the great musicians of the 70's I swear 9 out of 10 vids I see on YouTube with some guy using his MPC sampling directly from vinyl is using an ablum from the 70's.
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#271257 - 09/18/09 12:39 PM
Re: Are we pushing too Hard
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14268
Loc: NW Florida
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I guess you haven't been noticing the trend towards vintage keyboards that dominate today's music. I guess you haven't noticed that Korg, Nord, Roland and Yamaha going out of their way to jump on the vintage bandwagon. I guess you haven't noticed the resurgence of analog synths, as digital ones are finally debunked as 'better'. I guess you haven't noticed most of the hip DJ's in your area turntabling like crazy with boxes and boxes full of those outdated LP's (that are the fastest growing NEW segment of the music industry). I guess you haven't noticed about vinyl remixes of everybody, up to and including Taylor Swift... You know, you REALLY ought to get 'with it' and start to look at what is going on NOW, not back in the eighties Oh, by the way, you might have noticed that, since we gave up walking to work (or riding buses bikes and carts) we have f*cked up the planet royally with greenhouse gases and can look forward to massive climate change. But hey... that's progress, isn't it?
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#271259 - 09/18/09 01:29 PM
Re: Are we pushing too Hard
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Registered: 03/28/02
Posts: 2814
Loc: Xingyi, Guizhou (China)
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Originally posted by Diki: I guess you haven't been noticing the trend towards vintage keyboards that dominate today's music. I guess you haven't noticed that Korg, Nord, Roland and Yamaha going out of their way to jump on the vintage bandwagon. I guess you haven't noticed the resurgence of analog synths, as digital ones are finally debunked as 'better'.
I guess you haven't noticed most of the hip DJ's in your area turntabling like crazy with boxes and boxes full of those outdated LP's (that are the fastest growing NEW segment of the music industry). I guess you haven't noticed about vinyl remixes of everybody, up to and including Taylor Swift...
You know, you REALLY ought to get 'with it' and start to look at what is going on NOW, not back in the eighties
Oh, by the way, you might have noticed that, since we gave up walking to work (or riding buses bikes and carts) we have f*cked up the planet royally with greenhouse gases and can look forward to massive climate change.
But hey... that's progress, isn't it? In short...Old Is New. Has been that way for as long as I can remember.
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