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#275728 - 11/16/09 06:23 PM
Re: Why an arranger?
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Registered: 06/24/05
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Loc: Baltimore, MD USA
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I just don't understand why people would prefer to watch a DJ ... But OF COURSE I do ... (engage whiney voice) "BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RECORD !!!" ... t. [/B][/QUOTE] No one is there to "watch" a DJ. They are there to dance to his music. Likewise, when we play for dancing, nobody is there to watch us, they are there to dance to our music. Joe ------------------ Songman55 Joe Ayala
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#275729 - 11/16/09 06:42 PM
Re: Why an arranger?
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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You answered my question, just fine, Chas. You can also type a lot better (faster) than I....I have to pause ever so often, and wipe up the drool. Whilst I do enjoy playing with my buddies, most, if not all the gigs with them , are jam sessions....which is fine, as I always seem to pick up a few new licks, and, it's fun, but not fine, if I want to pay for my oil, and food.. The arranger lets me play when no one else is available...it will rehearse anytime I want, for as long as I want, and do the tunes that I want. It will play at the tempo I want, and will also be at the volume I choose. I know, I, I, I, I....only thinkin' of me...well, sometimes that's a good thing, if I want to be playing a lot. I can also play in any style I want...country, jazz(y), pop, R&B...and I can practice my piano, and organ chops by making an SMF and playing over it...as long as I'm not doing bass-lines, the 5 octaves are fine...if not, I'll midi the S910 to my piano. Getting away from playing with others wasn't entirely my idea...I live in a small town, and there's not a big pool to draw from, especially for players who want to play in the same, or even some of, the genres I like. Like I said on another thread, the arranger is my multi-purpose tool, my Swiss army knife...it can entertain me for an evening, as well as entertain an audience for some remuneration. You are fortunate to find people to play with, and to gig on a schedule that is comfortable with yours. What I am surprised about, is that you don't have a B-3 at home...unless you and your buds rarely play/jam or practice there, although I must say, in your defenCe, the Nord C1 sounds pretty well as close to a Hammond as anything I've ever played...even the action is a real joy to play. I tried one through a Traynor K4...pretty darn good Leslie sim...the K4's stereo really brings out the realism...and, it is LOUD....you can really get it to scream on the top notes, like a B-3. There I go, digressing again...
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#275732 - 11/17/09 03:58 AM
Re: Why an arranger?
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Bill, I don't know if this organ is even available in the states. In any case, as much as I like the drawbars, given the weight and price, the Nord C1 would still be my hands-down choice for gigging. For a home instrument, I would probably only consider a real B3. Ian, I sold my last Hammond when we moved to Hawaii (and bought another 'chopped' one while there). As I've said in previous posts, when I sell the house I currently have on the market, I will purchase the best vintage B3 I can find/afford to put in my rec room. I will also be replacing my Yamaha upright with the best 5-6ft. Grand that I can afford. The small amount of 'jamming' we do, we usually do at the drummers house (one reason I want a DM10 kit for my studio). The ability to carry the C1 under one arm (I'm 6'4", 200lbs) makes moving it a non-hassle. I would still use the C1 to jam with at home, even if I had the B3 (my wife would probably confine the jamming to my studio - she has spent a lifetime stopping the migration of my music 'stuff' to the rest of the house ). I've gotten quite comfortable with the Nord C1 and never give a thought to using anything else (XK3c, Diversi, KeyB duo, BX3, etc.) for gigging (or even pleasure playing or recording). I'm really a happy camper. chas
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#275733 - 11/17/09 06:30 AM
Re: Why an arranger?
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Bill...the KeyB sounds and looks terrific...the distortion is warm and convincing, as is the rotary sim, but, I don't think we'll see one in the local music stores here in Canada....but maybe it will happen...certainly worth a look/listen if they do make them available here.
Chas...thanks again for the explanation.
I figured you would be the one person I know that would want a real B.
The Nord really impressed me, as you might have garnered by my posts, and at 33 lbs, the convenience of having two manuals is pretty much the best out there. The Hammond XK "System" is too expensive, and too fiddly for gigging...the C1, being all-in-one, is a better design.
The C1's rotary sim through the stereo K4 almost sounded like a Leslie "moving" air...the sound seemed to "scatter" around the room...easily the equal of the pricier XK3c system, and far better than Roland/Korg/Yamaha simulators.
I might get the cabinet painted black...really...wouldn't be too difficult...although, the red is a "classy" red, and looks much better in person than in pictures....I think I could get used to it...I got used to the "silver" colored arrangers, which I disliked a lot when I first saw them.
If I was band gigging I'd get a C1, and the C1 would also be better for recording, as mic'ing a Leslie is an art in itself, and on stage, it is also a compromise at best.
[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-17-2009).]
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#275735 - 11/17/09 11:29 AM
Re: Why an arranger?
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Mockie: I've always been fascinated by orchestras, big bands.An arranger puts me in the driving seat I am a musician in the orchestra as well as conductor and no matter what I play the "band" follows me.
Exactly, Mockie...sideman, conductor, sax player, piano player, guitarist..we can pretend to be them all....and the band always plays what we want! It's hard to be lonely when you play an arranger keyboard.
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