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#276273 - 11/24/09 09:14 PM Re: Where is OS4
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:
Hi People wanted stuff like Piano Roll editing and so on in addition to the way KORG take are of all these requirements in the first place.

So it's more about total interrogation of the systems in addition to a few DAW like features that people wanted. .


Thanks James...this information is invaluable.

The OASYS seems to be a decent rig...I'll probably pick it up the weekend.

The last Korg we bought and sold was a PS-3200 analog synthesizer, probably made around the late 70's...looked like a cross between a night storage heater, and one of those early telephone exchanges.

It was remarkably well preserved...kept in an attic above an old night club...in a home made (but well made) road case.

All it needed was a thorough cleaning, and a new cable that attached the keyboard to the main unit...we had one made up.

Fully poly...48 keys, 48 notes, and only 16 memory locations, but the sounds were pretty awesome....surprisingly rich, and modern in their complexity, and like all analogs, plenty of substance.

Micro-tonal possibilities, seven band equalizer...even two limiters.

Weird terminology...oscillators were called "signal generators" and resonance was called "peak"...even tracking, was referred to as "keyboard balance".

Built like a tank, and we learned quickly that it was a rare beast...almost mythic status.

Also went through several Korg CX-3 (and a two manual BX-3) organs...the old series...also built very well, and sounded very nice...very Hammondy.

They made, and still make, a quality product...almost as good as Yamaha (couldn't resist that last comment).

Actually all the synths back then were pretty well made...and heavy...we had a Yamaha GS-1 that weighed at least 200 lbs.

There I go, digressing once more...thanks again for the information.

Ian
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#276274 - 11/24/09 09:24 PM Re: Where is OS4
Irishacts Offline
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Registered: 11/18/01
Posts: 1631
Loc: Ireland
Hi Ian.

Sorry about errors in my typing on the last post to you and others. I'm on my iPhone here typing away and my perdict text needs to be reset. Not that it's easy to say so much using the iPhone anyway.

It's 4 am here so no time for using my PC. Need to get some sleep now, lots to do tommorow.

Regards
James

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#276275 - 11/25/09 12:07 AM Re: Where is OS4
Tony Hughes Offline
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Registered: 01/30/06
Posts: 3944
Quote:
Originally posted by frankieve:
I just saw my name in this post, I don't work for Ketron, or have any special connection.

I did ask to be a beta tester for new OSs and so forth but it never happened.

So I also would like to know where OS4.0 is but I'm not having any problems with OS3.0 so I can wait.

Thanks




Sorry Frank,

But Frank OS4 is going to be mind blowing it's not just fix problems and there are problems in OS3, thats why it's taking so long.

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#276276 - 11/25/09 04:47 AM Re: Where is OS4
to the genesys Offline
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Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 1155
Quote:
Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
Just to clarify WITH FACTS (as has been requested by some)...

1. AUDIO STYLE MORPHING. This feature completed in AUDYA (as of OS3.0) allows the user to do the following ...

A. Take an existing style and EDIT it to ..
B. Replace its Midi parts (chords, bass drums) with those from another style OR those from it's internal library and save as a user style
C. Replace it's AUDIO drum-1 track with an audio drum track from another style or an audio drum track from the internal data bass OR the USER AUDIO DRUMS (audio drums created by end users), OR midi drum tracks from either another style or the Midi Drum data bass.
D. Replace the Audio bass line from a style with that from another style or a midi bass line from either another style or the internal bass table.
E. Replace the Audio guitar (chord 5) with that from another style or another audio guitar from either the internal audio table or the USER GUITAR table (soon to be populated in OS4.0 with more guitar loops) or simply a midi guitar part from another style or internal table.

You can load new styles into AUDYA (either styles converted for use on other Ketron product from other manufacturers, or other Ketron official styles or styles created on other Ketron products). The edit capability above ALSO applies to these styles (user styles).

2. STYLE EDIT (current) AND STYLE CREATE (4.0):- With OS 4.0 you will be able to CREATE NEW STYLES (i.e start from scratch and lay down an entire new drum, bass, chord tracks that currently do not exist in AUDYA). You can also incoorporate the above MORPHING feature with this newly created style.

Hope this clarifies this.

3. STYLE MIX. In STYLE VIEW - you can MIX (change volume, effect, pan .. etc levels of each style part) and EDIT (change parts [midi and audio alike] styles and save as a new user style.

We're holding off release to include another popluar feature asked from our customers (can't say now), but you'll see.

Thanks,

AJ

[This message has been edited by Ketron_AJ (edited 11-24-2009).]


Finally some facts that the Audya really does have style editing.

It seems like with the current Audya, you can mix a style and edit a style.
With mixing you can change volume, effect, pan levels of each style part. and change sounds for each part.

Style editing or as Ketron calls it “AUDIO STYLE MORPHING” is equivalent to what a lot of person do on their Yamaha. Swapping parts from one style to another.
Since a lot of persons use style editing (as admitted by some users) and a lot of them are Yamaha users, the Audya would be a good buy for those who were thinking about getting a Yamaha but may want something different.


And it looks like style creation (like what the Korg users would want) would be available on OS 4.

Once most, if not all of the actual bugs (not just user errors or gripes[like what James said was happening with Korg})
Are corrected Audya could be an arranger that could give Yamaha a run for its money especially for those customers who Yamaha ignored.
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#276277 - 11/25/09 05:15 AM Re: Where is OS4
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Functions (code) I wrote for the SD1 Plus and SD5 (some of which are also now used in AUDYA) include (but are not limited to) ...

* DISK MANAGEMENT
* VOICE MANAGEMENT
* STYLE MANAGEMENT
* GUI & FUNCTION ASSIGNMENT

I am also involved in style programming.

... just for further clarifaction to some text writen above.

Thanks,

AJ

PS: As is the case with most manufacturers, 'Specifications are subject to change without notice' is an area I have no control over so when we agree to a design and a prototype is built on that but for some reason (or another) changes are made in the production line, THIS is out of my hands! The information I provide is with what I have now / know today but (as has been proven before) could change tomorrow! This is pretty standard in this industry for the most part.
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#276278 - 11/25/09 05:50 AM Re: Where is OS4
Nedim Offline
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Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 1144
Loc: Staten Island, NYC
Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:

Nedim, i thought you were the KETRON GURU ??? ;-)



Thinking is one thing being is another, the Audya i tried and still work on OS 3 still
wont copy Var to Var or whatever it is if its
not same measures and TS.
Dont believe anything you hear in here, dont believe me either, just try it yourself.
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#276279 - 11/25/09 05:50 AM Re: Where is OS4
Nedim Offline
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Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 1144
Loc: Staten Island, NYC
Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:

Nedim, i thought you were the KETRON GURU ??? ;-)



Thinking is one thing being is another, the Audya i tried and still work on OS 3 still
wont copy Var to Var or whatever it is if its
not same measures and TS.
Dont believe anything you hear in here, dont believe me either, just try it yourself.
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#276280 - 11/25/09 05:55 AM Re: Where is OS4
Nedim Offline
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Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 1144
Loc: Staten Island, NYC
Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
I think you'll see a baby Audya first...soon as they discontinue this one, some old technology will drift down again....maybe.
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#276281 - 11/25/09 06:20 AM Re: Where is OS4
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4724
Quote:
Originally posted by Irishacts:

Zuki ... he said LED not LCD. There's a huge difference.

Your problem is something silly like you have the contrast too high or the temperature in the room has changed. All LCD displays regardless of make or model will have a higher contrast when they are cold, and a lower contrast when they are warmed up from use or hot from the room they are used in.

It's totally normal. Hell they all even look different from what angle you look at them.

Your other issues are probably smoothing silly also. That's why KORG Forums exists. If you have a problem, share it with others and it gets sorted. KORG even respond to anything that requires their attention.

Regards
James


The yellow streak is PERMANENT. It has nothing to do with the contrast, believe me. All other problems are not silly (are you kidding?). They are real and require money to fix, just like anything else. I don't believe anyone, other than a technician, could fix my problem.
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#276282 - 11/25/09 06:43 AM Re: Where is OS4
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by to the genesys:

Are corrected Audya could be an arranger that could give Yamaha a run for its money especially for those customers who Yamaha ignored.


Saying that Yamaha has "ignored customers" is a false statement...and this comes from you, you who always say everything should be based on the facts....hah! What a joke!

Tyros1/2/3 users (and PSR2K/3K/S900/S910 users) have been incredibly supported by Yamaha...you should read Yamaha forums and get your facts straight before you go spouting off with your so called "facts".

Most of us here have only been able to get facts about the Audya through what has been posted by users, so whatever was said by these people, about the Audya's faults, bugs, and present state of operation is what we have to go on and, thankfully AJ has finally cleared things up for all concerned...including you, my Genesys playing friend.

But to claim that Yamaha does not support it's present customers, with absolutely no proof at all is seriously putting your integrity at it's lowest level...lower than snake's bellybutton in a wagon rut.

Go read the forums and then come back with some actual knowledge about this subject...don't waste forum space with things you obviously know nothing about.

And again, don't bother bringing up the PSR-9000 Pro...that is so old and so obviously desperate of you...that was 10 years ago, and bears no relevance to what we are discussing here in the present...nor should you bring up Korg's LED issues, or the G-70's poor OS when introduced....all these companies have learned from their mistakes, and have moved on with improved support.

Your company deserted you, and you are left with an instrument without factory support...please don't take your anger and frustration out on decent companies like Roland, Yamaha and Korg, that are continually improving and implementing great customer support and working to keep their products problem free ....even Audya is doing pretty good in that department.

Please, do us and yourself a favour and deal with things that are actually happening, or that might happen in the future....the past is a canceled cheque, and nothing can be done about it...except to learn from it.

Let's hope Ketron learns from this issue, and hopefully before it causes serious damage to it's good name and reputation.

Ian
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