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#278392 - 01/07/10 03:10 PM
Re: SZ membership: women vs. men?
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Registered: 03/04/06
Posts: 533
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Diki..do you think at this point youre possibly just throwing stuff against the wall until something sticks? Youre manipulating what I said to suit your needs for rebuttal. Read it again, please. I said I dont know of any women around here that arent in music just for the money or for vanity reasons. I also said I live in an area that praises riches and looks down their nose at mediocrity. So what would be the obvious conclusion you would come to from those two statements? Now I really dont care to make a judgment call about if women were suppressed in the days of the great Classical composers. The bottom line is what I said: there were few great KNOWN female composers to compete on the playing field with Beethoven or Chopin or even Scott Joplin. This is the way it is. I mean the facts are right in front of you, yet you still wont admit to what Im saying. Forget about whether or not they were suppressed, oppressed or DEpressed. In speculation, maybe they WERE better at composing and just didnt get the chance to do it. Well never know that. What we do know is that they DIDNT compose, while theyre male counterparts DID. And, hence, got the exposure. Lucky says: "There is no such thing as a sexist remark. There are only remarks made that are then LABELED by whoever hears it." Diki says: ...this is absurd. Lucky says: No, Diki its NOT absurd. Its only absurd if you THINK it is absurd! Diki says: Does that mean I can insult the hell out of you, but what I write ISN'T insulting, until you label it so...? Lucky says: yes, thats exactly correct! You can only insult me, if I deem it to be an insult! Thats not to say I wont recognize insulting intentions, but I choose whether or not I want to interpret it as a degrading slur and react to it. I have free will to make that call. Diki says: I don't think so An insult is an insult from the moment it is written, and a sexist remark doesn't need someone else to call it that for it to be one... Dikiwhere do you get your insult information from? I suggest you study Metaphysics or Spirituality or power of the mind books in general. If someone says broccoli tastes awful, does that make it awful? If someone says graffiti sprayed on a subway train is vulgar, does that make it vulgar? If someone makes a remark about the lack of women composers, does that make it a sexist remark? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so is most everything else in the world. Nothing is beautiful or ugly, or tasteful or tasteless, or easy or hard, etc. Its all in how you, the individual views an object, a situation...OR...a remark! Lucky
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#278393 - 01/07/10 06:00 PM
Re: SZ membership: women vs. men?
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14287
Loc: NW Florida
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So, if you say that the women musicians in your area are only in it for the money or the attention, does that meant that it is actually a FACT...? Apparently, not. Only if the women agree with you...! And yet, you post it. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would post anything, if it means nothing. I certainly don't agree with it, I know of no woman that would agree with it, so it seems you have completely wasted both our times. I suggest you get your nose out of those books, and rejoin the real world. Of course, that's only a put down if YOU take it as a put down. In actual fact, it's just photons coming off your computer screen. It means nothing...
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#278394 - 01/07/10 06:51 PM
Re: SZ membership: women vs. men?
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Registered: 03/04/06
Posts: 533
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Originally posted by Diki: So, if you say that the women musicians in your area are only in it for the money or the attention, does that meant that it is actually a FACT...? Apparently, not. Only if the women agree with you...!
And yet, you post it. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would post anything, if it means nothing. I certainly don't agree with it, I know of no woman that would agree with it, so it seems you have completely wasted both our times.
I suggest you get your nose out of those books, and rejoin the real world. Of course, that's only a put down if YOU take it as a put down. In actual fact, it's just photons coming off your computer screen. It means nothing... Diki, I greatly admire your intellect, but aside from that, would you answer me WHY... 1) you have to be "right" about everything, and 2) why you have to have the "last word" in every posting, and mostly...... 3) why you're never "wrong" in any of these threads that you enter in to? Lucky
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#278398 - 01/08/10 05:07 PM
Re: SZ membership: women vs. men?
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14287
Loc: NW Florida
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Smart enough to see that you are playing a double standard, here. YOUR opinion isn't fair game, but mine IS? Bottom line is, what kind of forum would this place be if, no matter WHAT anyone posted, good, bad, erroneous or indifferent, NO-ONE (because I'm SURE you aren't just singling me out as the only one that isn't supposed to respond, are you? ) was allowed or even OUGHT to comment on it...? You are honestly telling me you've NEVER responded to a post you disagree with? Please... If you want to air your opinion and have NO-ONE refute it (or agree with it - after all, what's the difference?), go outside your back door and speak to the wind... Otherwise, should you choose to post that opinion here, you are going to get people that agree AND disagree with you chiming in. THAT'S what a forum is for. Debate, consensus, agreement or disagreement. You honestly expect people to NOT disagree with you if they feel that way? Or even agree with you. After all, that's an 'opinion' too, isn't it...? You are disagreeing with me, here and now. Allow others the same rights you take for yourself...
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#278401 - 01/09/10 05:30 AM
Re: SZ membership: women vs. men?
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Senior Member
Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 2207
Loc: Dayton, OH USA
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Diki/Lucky-
I'm calling foul on both of you for hijacking my thread on why women don't participate more on this forum. As the creator of this thread, I get to have some small token (perhaps imagined) say about its direction.
Clearly, this isn't what I wanted...
You both have made good points about women/music, but now its becoming a pissing contest. You two don't agree on the recent few threads, you're not going to agree, its getting a bit personal and you're killing the thread. The content of the last few entries would be better suited to a private email exchange, so take it there. It's done, ok?
If you want to contribute specific to my original question, I'd welcome it, but this sideshow is quickly turning into a distraction.
No winners, no losers...I just want to get things back on track. Why women don't participate more in the Synth Zone...
------------------ Bill in Dayton
[This message has been edited by Bill in Dayton (edited 01-09-2010).]
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