Well, what's up with those 3rd party patch creators? Our XP's have A LOT of S&S power. You could really get some convincin patches out of the supplied internal waveforms.

The best that I heard was Roland's "Dance Kit". All of the patches there sound professionally programmed. It sounds like they took a lot of time to perfect the patches. Having that BANK feels like having an expansion card installed.

Back in the 80's you could get thousands of "non-variation" sounds out of synths like the DX7 and Kawai K1R, the Roland JV/XP should be no different.

It's time we stop complaining about the weakness of the internal waveforms and start either begging 3rd party developers or develop great sounds our self.

Aside from the "Dance Kit", every other patch bank I heard just really sucks. The others sound like variations of the sounds in the Roland already.

Your comments please. . . . .

The Infamous EPU.

I agree. I haven't made many myself, but I have a good one called SinVanilla, which is just a generic starting point for creating new sounds (no effects, no filters, all sin waves, etc.). I find it very useful.

Does anyone have a web page where we could post sound files?

hey,
There is a website that you can find and post paches http://www.lilchips.com/roland/synths/jvxp/index.asp

As for me, I started developping my own organ sounds on my XP not long ago because I found that the preset sounds were ... well, not inconvenient, but didn't quite match my idea of cool rotary sounds. I don't have much money left to buy JV/XP expansions (it would be hard to decide whether to take the cool "Vintage" or cool "Organ" one anyway) and I'm not experienced (let alone own a patch creator) either, so now I'm in the process of experimenting with internal waveforms and so far I have tried to design a patch featuring more mean, less "nice" and more "rocking" leslie&hammond sound. I don't know if anybody except me would appreciate it, but personally I think that without software you might still "design" patches if you know what you're looking for. On the other hand I think that some instrumental sounds really suck because they sound like pads even if they're entitled "lead" or so. So far I haven't found out how to improve them by toying around with my TVA...

As for me, I started developping my own organ sounds on my XP not long ago because I found that the preset sounds were ... well, not inconvenient, but didn't quite match my idea of cool rotary sounds. I don't have much money left to buy JV/XP expansions (it would be hard to decide whether to take the cool "Vintage" or cool "Organ" one anyway) and I'm not experienced (let alone own a patch creator) either, so now I'm in the process of experimenting with internal waveforms and so far I have tried to design a patch featuring more mean, less "nice" and more "rocking" leslie&hammond sound. I don't know if anybody except me would appreciate it, but personally I think that without software you might still "design" patches if you know what you're looking for. On the other hand I think that some instrumental sounds really suck because they sound like pads even if they're entitled "lead" or so. So far I haven't found out how to improve them by toying around with my TVA...

IS THERE A NEED FOR A "DIGITAL MAN'S INFERIORITY COMPLEX"?

Once I take a look at "virtual analogue" synths like the Access Virus, Yamaha CSwahX and so on at first I'm impressed by the great amount of specs like VCOs, VCAs, VCFs, LFOs, inter-compability like cross-mod. and so on, let alone the punchyness of the patches, the cool housing, those many knobs...

But then I remember that our synths also have certain - digital - features that might be interpreted as Oscillators, Amps, Filters, too - is that just an advantage by pure interpretation, or am I confusing functions?

But if it's true, what are the main disadvantages of digital synthesis over modern analogue synths? (In other words: do we "digital guys" need to feel inferior? What are our real advantages and disadvantages? Could we theoretically be just as creatie as analogue people?) I don't know exactly.