ok

we all know that the current AUDYA has a pathetic 64MB, of which about 48MB or so is useable

what do you guys think the next generation will bring?

i'm almost afraid to find out

it will be sad if they don't up it to AT LEAST, 1GB, really pathetic

anyone care to guess?
anyone know?

Anything less than 1GB is a waste of time.

It also needs to support a universal format and be quick at loading. SF2, Giga, or AKAI will do nicely.

Not to mention the fact that it also needs to be a complete product on it's release date. Not a R&D trial or work in progress like the Audya 76

Regards
James

guys..be realistic...will be 256 mb...

necdetdoni

you must know more than the rest of us
you've been sneaking into the ketron labs?

256MB is ridiculous, in the bad sense

memory is so, so cheap, come on,

if it's 256MB ok, ONLY if it's REPLACEABLE/EXPANDABLE to 1GB

Hahahahaha...are you kidding me? You really think its ABOUT to happen? Hahahahahaha...
Put it this way...no rummor yet...once the rummor out give it 4 years for release...
You have time to prepare your self emotionally.

They won't be here in 4 years time, the self destruct button has locked on.

Nedim,

4 years?

i thought the countdown was at 1?

are we talking 1 decade here?

I highly doubt it will be 1GB..

Ketron is not using mainstream parts, so they can't use the mainstream cheep memmory...

My best bet will be 256MB

1GB is far from mainstream nowadays

noy, mainstream is more like 4GB RAM

64 mb ram, Is that used for installing right hand sounds? what else is the used for?

not sure

64mb RAM is not useable

its about 48+/1 MB fro right hand sounds

you load the super piano and you have room for about 2 or 3 more sounds currently

with 256 MB i'm not sure you even be able to load all super sounds in AUDYA,

WE NEED 1GB !!!

I never needed to load anymore sounds than what the keyboard already had, with any brand. I remember the X1 had the super solos on a drive, but they were no need, the interal sounds were more than enough. so whether its 48mb or 10G , it does not matter to me, I will never use it.

mc,

i don't think you undersatnd

the super voices, even though are in the AUDYA, you CAN'T play UNLESS you load them to RAM

so even though they are on HD, they have to be loaded,

so what i am saying is you can only load a FEW Super Sounds, that's it, them the RAM is FULL

so when you power up AUDYA you can only have let's say your favorite 4 sounds out of however many are in AUDYA, lets say 24...

I'm still waiting to hear much music where a significantly better RH voice would make much of a difference. It's still 95% what you play and 5% the sound you play it on

There's still one potential roadblock to all your technolust for GB sized RAM figures... how fast does it load up? From what I remember seeing posted here, while the Audya is still fairly fast at loading ROM samples compared to Tyros or PA2's, it's still going to be a significant wait to load up a GB+. How long you got between songs? Or before you can start your gig? And don't forget that UPS.... one brown out, and suddenly the audience got to wait 10 minutes+ for you to be ready again?

Honestly, none of you are going to be happy until the Audya has the same kind of memory performance that a computer does. And it never will. So why not simply get a Muse Receptor (there's a new cheaper one coming out soon) or a V-Machine, MIDI it to the Audya, and get your Supersounds from that? You'll definitely get it working faster than Ketron will...

Diki and gang,

i don't know about the rest of you
but i have a real sound system to setup (no l;ogitech) (300+ people), sometimes 600+ in a hall
which takes about 1 hour to setup

so yes i have time to get to a gig, turn on AUDYA, and load all 1GB, and plug into a UPS

so yes, i WANT 1GB RAM

Well, dream on..!

Personally, I think you are setting yourself up with yet another excuse to NOT buy an Audya. But sooner or later, you have to come to the realization that EVERY arranger out there has SOMETHING that could be better. What are you using now? Does it have a GB of RAM? I doubt it.

Yet you still use it...

Bet you it doesn't have USB3, either.

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Diki,

i own a KETRON already, do you?
i love the Ketron sound
do you own Ketron?
i rest my case

ps i also have the G-70

I know you own a Ketron... but amazed you want to play it, if a lack of a GB sized RAM is enough to keep you away from the Audya

You enjoy your current Ketron for what it is, rather than what it could be better at. Why not enjoy the Audya for the same reasons..? It's never going to have everything you want. Nothing ever does. But if it beats your current Ketron by quite a bit, why isn't simply that sufficient? I'm sure you didn't hang around when your current Ketron came out going 'it's only got USB1' (if that), or there's no sampler, etc., etc.. You bought it for what it DID...

Me, I'd quite like an Audya to take for a spin, but I think I'll wait a couple of years and buy one s/h when the price returns to something closer to reality.. In the meantime, I'm just happy I have an arranger where you don't NEED to load up a decent piano in RAM. The onboard one is quite sufficient for me! Plus an extra 64MB SRX ROM tones that is always instantly available makes more sense to me than a sampler you never, in the heat of gigging, have time to load up.

I still think adding a V-Machine or Musebox is the more flexible way of adding sounds, if the arranger's MIDI capabilities are capable of addressing it correctly.

Hi Diki.

There's nothing wrong with people wanting the same features found in other keyboards added to their own favourite brand.

Ketron's strengths are in producing keyboards that have sounds and styles that are both very good. Beyond that they are trailing very far behind when it comes to core features you would expect that would be standard on every keyboard at this stage.

This is where the Audya stick out. It's their only premium priced keyboard, but it does not have the features to justify the price when compared to what the competition are doing for far less money.

Someone wanting 1GB of RAM in a new and premium priced keyboards is not unreasonable. There are keyboards out there that already have 1GB and are not premium priced keyboards.

A proper sampler with a good amount of RAM is a very important thing. You might not realise just how much so because it's probably not important to you, but anyone who has started using Samples would never be able to turn around now and do without them.



Nothing at all wrong with a V-Machine or Musebox, but the ownership of the problem shouldn't be simply passed onto someone else.

There is no substitute to having the sounds inside the keyboard your playing.

Cheers
James

James,

i agree 100%
for a keyboard coming out "today"
not having AT LEAST 1GB is pathetic,

Diki, you also have to understand that not everyone will use this AUDYA live, so LOAD time WILL NOT be an issue

256MB is an insanely SMALL upgrade

the current AUDYA should have had the 256MB,

the next AUDYA should have 1 or 2GB

"In the meantime, I'm just happy I have an arranger where you don't NEED to load up a decent piano in RAM.

Diki, trust me, the pianos in the Audya are fantastic. They blow away the ones in the E80.
However, I'm told that there will soon be a new soundboard available for the Audya that will include a slot to allow the installation of additional memory.
DonM

Don,

"I'm told that there will soon be...."

and is this from a reliable source?

Yes.

same person as "countdown is at..." :-)

hey AJ, you da man
we miss you here in the forum

DonM
Hope you're right about the soundboard. I'm waiting for a new soundboard. (very long wait )I just hope I will get the new one. I've been told it should arrive in US feb.28. My Audya sure gives me headache these days.
skude

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skude,

what if it arrives Feb.29 th ??

leezone
Than I have to buy more pills
skude

and wait another 2 years till 2012

May be we will have other things to worry about in 2012 (Mayan calendar), Or just no worries at all.
skude

The trouble is, once you decide to use the highest quality sounds, the best available samples, the most expressive keyswitching, well, even a GB is paltry. You look at the sizes of some of the better GIGA instruments, just ONE can max that GB out, and still need more!

GIGA, Kontakt, most of the modern VSTi samplers stream from HD, which no modern arranger other than the MS can do. So, in fairness, you are going to be still mired in older sample sets, as all the latest stuff relies on streaming (modern sound designers have just about given up on trying to make samples space efficient). Personally, if I was looking for something right now, I think I would prefer a Muse rather than deal with a built-in sampler, particularly as how relatively barebones the Ketron voice architecture is. Kontact can do a LOT more with the samples than an Audya can...

If, as you say, you are not shooting for live convenience, why not use the tool with the most flexibility?

Diki,
Absolutely agree!

I play in home studio...not out. So I'm looking at adding Muse to my PA2. Could even take it out if I get into that later.

Then, maybe I'll quit bitching about the lack of truely TOP qualiy sounds especialy for solo play.

I'm convinced NONE of the arranger mfg's are going to do it internally. So, I'll do it another way.

Lee S.

Wersi & Lionstracs have been doing it for years

I agree. However, in Wersi's case, it's price prohibitive, and in the MS's case, it's at the cost of a TOTL arranger section. I happen to think that if your primary need for VSTi's is better quality RH sounds, adding a Musebox or V-Machine to an already great sounding, affordable arranger is still your best bet.

lol... so what then, buy a keyboard with so little memory that you won't be tempted to load any sounds into it ?

I'd rather have 1GB that can be used for lots of different things than a tiny 64MB. There are countless libraries out there that would make excellent use of 1GB of RAM.

it should have 2gb....
why not?

oh, i'm sorry that would jack up the price $50

oh god here we go again,

where are these rumors comming from re the the module and the other improvements to Audya, where is the official word except AJ's comments about 1 to go with no detail except will knock our socks off, and so on, I mean I've got an SD3 love it to death, and i'm still waiting for futher support on it in the way of more styles and so on, this was out a long long time before Audya was, so i understand the concern over Audya, but have pitty on us SD5/3 owners, looks like your getting yours before us, and thats not making me a happy Ketron owner!!

I would have no argument with that, if arrangers were just for professionals or those with a dedicated room, (Studio) however virtually all arrangers (Particularly TOTL) are sold to home players who normally have partners, and having additional boxes and cable in the lounge (Where most will be situated) is a no no, also if you handed a Muse or V machine to most home players (With the instruction books) all you would get is a blank look, and “I can’t understand that”.
Combine it all into a single board however, and they can have top notch sounds and keep their partners happy all at the same time.

Bill

If you read the first post in the thread you will see that nobody is spreading rumours.

A simple question was asked and everyone is just sharing their opinion on it.

Regards
James

V-machine would be great for VST's, or muse or any other of those sollutions...

But i really would love to controll the sounds from my arrangers touch screen in live setup.

I keep trying to explain that the innards of things like the Audya are completely different to a normal computer. I really don't know why some here refuse to acknowledge something they could confirm as easily as opening up their arranger and taking a look. You all make it sound like there's some vast conspiracy to deny you all vast RAM amounts, or the latest greatest peripheral connectivity standards, or high def video out, yada yada yada...

The truth is, these things work off of proprietary chips, not the motherboard of some off the shelf computer. I mean, this is bloody obvious, because it's next to impossible to get a modern motherboard WITHOUT USB2, and plenty of RAM addressing. The MS and Wersi are the only arrangers based around normal computer hardware. The rest use RISC chips, dedicated hardware chips, etc., which are cheaper than a full motherboard, but don't get made as fast as technology turns over. They are made in quantity, which assures cheapness, but are expensive to tool up for. Which is why you'll usually find arrangers and other keyboards trailing the tech curve.

Look, it's simple. Want multi GB sized RAM, even streaming RAM? Want USB2? Want hi-def video out? Want to play with VSTi's and huge RAM sized samples?

Get an MS. The tool you want exists. The trouble is, if you want to be on the bleeding edge, you've got to be prepared to bleed...

It seems to me that, if you are willing to make huge sample sets work on an Audya (remember, virtually NO sample set for one sampler comes in to another sampler with all its' associated synth programming intact... you'll have to do ALL the voice programming yourself), you are probably technical enough to make the MS work for you, and it has ALL the modern gewgaws that you are always clamoring for.

In the meantime, pay close attention to Robbo's post. This is a point I've made in the past. GB sized RAM amounts and high speed load up are OK, but what's the POINT if you are stuck with an arranger that the factory has made few new styles for in YEARS? If you prioritize your needs in an arranger, let's face it, plenty of new styles, and often, is WAY higher on the list than an increase in the RAM. Things like this, and the inability for the sound engine to stream fast enough to make playing ALL chords in audio possible rank FAR higher on the list of things to worry about, IMO.

Past performance is always a good indicator of future efforts, and, no matter what Ketron SAY, I'd be basing my expectations of new styles (and even new features) on what Ketron has done in the past. So don't hold your breath waiting for a boatload of new styles every now and then. Or a GB of RAM

Diki,

i'm not asking for a GB of RAM
i'm asking for 2 :-)

The brain is always the first thing to go when you hold your breath too long...