Okay guys, what I suggest is this, let NONE of us post any further comments or instructionals in this arranger forum about the Media Station.

Let us stick to the Lionstracs forum and constructively discuss the good, and the not so good aspects of the MS, and where it can be improved.

We have taken the horses to the water, but they are refusing to drink, so let them die from lack of water.

Dennis

AGREE TOTALLY!
Also thanks Dennis for the nice call that you gave me some minute ago.
You have email..and you can see IF the groove have a future or not..
cheers

Good idea. Those that are interested can follow things there, and maybe those that really aren't interested won't be tempted to agitate.
I'm not interested really, but I like to keep abreast. Don't care enough to agitate!
DonM

Let them die for lack of water???? That’s just a bit harsh don’t you think Dennis? Not so long ago you threw out the same water that we are hesitant to drink didn’t you? At least wait until you get your MS back, have upgraded it, debugged it if necessary and are completely satisfied with it before you start insulting people because they remain sceptical. It was partly your own experience with the MS that has contributed to the wariness here when Dom made the same promises he is making now which you felt at the time the instrument did not live up to before you sold it. He made similar promises 7 years ago and every year after that! You gotta admire his pluck really ha ha !! Maybe he has got his act together this time and James is doing a sterling job with the MS but that has not always been the case. Now maybe the MS was working fine all along and it was just user error that made it sound so bad in arranger style , i dont know but you have to agree from the demos in the past, it did look bad didnt it (doesnt it ). Thats not our fault. Noone asked for Liontracs to come on an arranger forum and tout their wares . That was their choice.

I joked with you a while back when you said that the MS would be the last hardware keyboard you would buy again ....just before you sold it :-).It was said in good spirit and i say this in the same spirit ... Hopefully this time it truly will be your last hardware keyboard. And i am not hoping you will die of thirst before you buy another one :-)

Just relax mate. You have no enemies here.

Yeah fair enough, good call Spalding...perhaps a bit harsh

But I still think all the tech and operational discussions should be kept to the Lionstracs forum.

At least that way Dom can keep control of the agitators as Don so eloquently put it .

He is a moderator on that forum .

Dennis

Hi Minden,
I thought your post was rather Harsh, tarring everyone with the same brush,so I agree totally with Spaldings reply,which was fair and accurate,but I also give you full credit for your reply and agree that future operational and development issue be kept to the lionstracs Forum,to which I will follow with interest.

Gilbert.

And the Lionstracs forum here at Synth Zone is protected from posts that would detract
from being constructive discussion. That is why I ended up moving one of James' threads from here to there.

You just have to understand that this General Arranger forum is open for everyone to jump in and say their piece ... which as you have noticed they certainly do

I don't know, I'd be more inclined to stick it out and help people see the truth no matter how difficult it is to listen to all the skewed view comments. I think the amount of work done so far has really changed things significantly and people are finding this all extremely interesting.

The argument has been reduced now to just people wanting to hear it producing styles which is a far cry from what it used to be. In time that box will be ticked off too so I think we are making great progress.

Regards
James

That is dead on, James...we have all been made aware that the Mediastation is an incredible instrument when it comes to playing VST's etc.

It's the claim that it will easily play a converted style "better than the original instrument" that seems to be in question.

So far, it hasn't quite met those claims, and I, for one, would like to see if they can be substantiated.

With your extensive experience regarding instruments at this level, you, if anyone, should be able to showcase this feature.

Ian

Dont worry, when that is done Diki will come up with something else...

The tougher the audience...the sweeter the applause.

Yep, and we will all be more enlightened as a result of it.

chas

I wish i had one MS now...

I wouldn't call that being enlightened. Discussing points on the Mediastation with Diki doesn't really go anywhere or end in any agreement with him. We simply make progress because he gives up commenting on something when it's demonstrated. His comments don't influence any of the demonstrations either.

It's a crying shame actually because he would be more than capable of asking some rather unite questions and bringing up some interesting topics. All I get from him is negativity though.

There's no side to take in all this guys. All this is is an exchange of informations on a forum. The more everyone knows the better we can all make decisions and grow as musicians.

Regards
James

The best has yet to come. Soon as I get the new OS with the Wine update, you will see COMBI sounds made up from VSTi's and Giga files all at the same time and all recalled with the press of a single button, while the arranger is even running

Regards
James

Arguments about the MS with me go round and round because nobody offers any EXAMPLE of what they are talking about. I don't expect anyone to simply take my WORD about something... especially if they disagree strongly. There's only one thing that can change their minds. MUSIC. If I can post a musical example that proves my point, I'm only TOO happy to oblige. Saves a whole bunch of typing! (Pointless typing, at that!)

James has made me see things in a different light about the Karma GE's with one example. He probably couldn't have done it in six months' of posting!

So, I sit here and wait. And wait. And wait.... . . . . .

This is an ARRANGER forum. I don't need ANYONE to tell me what VSTi's can do for sequencing. Been doing it for as long as anyone on this forum, and probably longer than most. But I realize the paradigm difference between sequencing and arranger play. Look, there's really only ONE good reason to use an arranger... Because you want to be spontaneous, you want to be able to play any tune you feel like, any way you feel like, at any time you feel like, and medley stuff together, morph tunes into something totally different to the way you did it yesterday, all without days or weeks of pre-programming everything. A WS CANNOT do this. An arranger can.

Which is why I place so much emphasis on how the MS deals with the types of things that typically get asked for on an arranger. And I keep getting back the answer that, yes, you OUGHT to be able to do this, that and the other. Trouble is, nobody seems able to actually DO IT. At least, not to the standards that a closed arranger achieves. If this were a WS forum, I'd be agreeing with James about most of what he has posted, and the other MS evangelists. But until I start to hear the MS being used how 99% of arranger players use an arranger, I believe my skepticism is justified. Most of what has been posted using an MS in arranger mode has been embarrassing at best, and excruciating at worst. After YEARS of hearing this, no words are going to change my mind. Only MUSIC...

After all, that's what I do. I'm not a writer. I'm a musician. Answer me in the language I speak!

So, show me the MS being used as an arranger. Show me how well it does what most of us use an arranger for. Show me how fast and how excellent YOUR style translations are. And start with some seriously good closed styles, not wanky legacy GM bullsh*t that no-one would use in their right minds. Open arrangers aren't the ONLY thing that has gotten seriously better in the last six years! The styles and sounds (and the whole gestalt of the two) have got MUCH better in closed arrangers, too. Compare the MS to THEM (in the style department) and you'll see how high the bar is...

All of MY objections to the MS arranger concept are based on personal experience. I've worked with VSTi's since year one. I've been translating styles for donkey's years. I've been using arrangers for fifteen years or more. I'm not just sitting here, making posts for the hell of it. I don't see the solutions to some of my issues, and it is obvious that no-one with an MS has either...

Or they would have made post after post of music that blows a closed arranger away, just to shut me up!

And no-one has...

Don't TELL me how good the MS is. SHOW ME... (or shut up!). I can back what I say with music. Can you..?