I was just told from the Ketron Distributor

Expected by 2nd week of August.

Map Prices are

Audya 4 $3778

Audya 5 $3998

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Frank,

that is great news indeed...

but what happens in August if we get them and somethings goes terribly wrong with AUDYA 4/5?
(i know YOU will do all you could but...)

we wait till September when Ketron is back from vacation for assistance?

Lee,

Not sure, but I do have some on order, and I am a strong believer in Ketron.

call me for more discussion

(203) 876-1133

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Frank

you will get both the 4 and 5?

and if MSRP is what you stated,
what's the realistic sell price,
what's the usual % off MSRP?

please have some hot-dogs ready when i take my field trip to your shop in August.

Lee let me tell you from experience, you won't get hot dogs, but if you love a buffet with good Italian food..........you'll be all set. If you do take a field trip let me know I'll see if I can round up Tony Mads and we'll take the 100 mile drive.

Thanks guys, I have the 4 and 5 on order, hopefully I'll at least get 1 of each.



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Lee,

The price Frank quoted is MAP (Minimum Advertized Price) which is about street price. Ofcourse individual dealers will discount based on their needs/goals. MSRP is way higher.

i was hoping the module would be closer to $3,000 US :-)

Ouch! Okay, the Audya 5 (61 key) is definitely a Tyros 3 competitor being roughly $700 LESS than the Yammie but what troubles me is Ketron has yet to post any definitive specs for the Audya 5 leaving consumers up in the air as to its true capability. Realistically it is a smaller, lighter version of the Audya (76 key), agreed, but it would still be nice to know what's inside before a person forks over $4,000 plus to get one. Or do people really do that? That is, buy something sight unseen especially without knowing its full list of features and/or capabilities? Hmmmm... to each his own I reckon.

It sure would have also been nice if Ketron offered the Audya 4 module under 3 grand instead of the 4 grand + plus including taxes as it stands now. You have to realize that keyboards and/or modules are extremely marked up in price to what their actual true value is worth. For instance, the Audya 4 is selling for $3,778 according to Frank and most likely for each one sold Ketron would likely make over $2,000 in pure profit. If they sell five hundred of them that's well over a million bucks in their pocket free and clear. Which is fine and dandy because they're in business to make a profit no?

But who loses of course is the consumer who may not realize the ridiculous amount of overhead he is paying to pad Ketron's pocket and bottom line. Same thing with fine furniture too, where the profit margins are also HUMONGOUS!

C'est la vie! Can't take it with you right? Who cares if Ketron makes out like hogan's goat? It will help keep them in business that much longer so they can keep ripping more people off for many more years to come selling their ridiculously overpriced products to gullible people like you and... you? lol

Same with Yammie by the way. You guys realize that the original Tyros was around $2,500 right? The Tyros 3 (a measly 5 1/2 years later) is over $2,000 MORE for basically the SAME keyboard?? Don't tell me SAV/2 is worth two extra grand either cuz they ain't... period. The overall Voice improvement on the Tyros 3 is also nice but two GRAND nicer!?!!?! Uh... no way folks.

Until consumers start fighting back against these exorbitantly over priced high-end arrangers and/or arranger modules Yammie and Ketron and the others will keep licking their chops and laughing all the way to the bank at our expense. Since I am a conscientious consumer advocate I feel strongly compelled to voice my concerns with others regarding these huge price discrepancies (rip-offs) and by doing so to hopefully see progress with manufacturers in lowering their prices in line to their products true value and worth instead of price gouging the world's populations in the name of greed.

All the best,
Mike

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Thanks for the spec sheet Frank, that is a big help for me and others as well. I am a new member and look forward to get to know you all. I have talked to frank on a few occasions about buying an Audya 76 as soon as problems go away and they are fully up-dated with new sounds and styles. Just waiting for a phone call as to when He has one.I will call to make sure frank still has my number.I will be using the Audya in Church and at Christian concerts so It has got to be 100% rock solid dependable. I trust that it will be.

Hi Mike,

Comparing Ketron to Yamaha is an unfair comparison.

Does Ketron make motorcyles, Acoustic pianos, semi conductors, stringed instruments, jet ski's ?


Here is the description of Yamaha :

Business Description
YAMAHA CORPORATION is a Japan-based manufacturing company engaged in five business segments. The Music Instruments segment is involved in the manufacture and sale of musical instruments, including pianos, string instruments, percussion instruments, wind instruments and electronic music instruments, the operation of music schools and the music promotion activity, as well as the musical note publishing and record businesses. The Audio and Video (AV) and Information Technology (IT) segment offers audio equipment and information communication equipment. The Electronic Components segment offers semiconductors. The Living segment offers system kitchen, bathroom vanities and system houses, among others. The Others segment manufactures and sells golf equipment, automobile interior parts, factory automation (FA) machines, molds and parts, among others.
http://www.global.yamaha.com/ir/data/index.html

Look at the exchange rates from 2006 to 2010. Yamaha as a company is probably 1000 X's the size of Ketron. How do you think those same exchange rates effects a smaller company like Ketron ?

Being an ex retailer, I can only say that your opinion about HUMONGOUS! profits is rediculous. Ketron retailers make much less profit selling a Ketron product than all other manufacturers.

I second that Dano

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hey,

is it "on the water" as opposed to via air because
otherwise chips, boards, cables, diodes, capacitors, etc.
may suddenly "jump" out of place with turbulence?

seriously, Ketron products do have this problem,
i've had quite a few instances where my floppy cable came loose on my XD3
also, my screen cable came loose, etc
and i've heard others here complain about this..

hopefully Ketron has addressed these problems with the new Audya 4/5

ship it via AIR, so it does not take a month to receive

Frank,
let me know when you receive them...

Steve ... if the weather is good we can ride with the top down ... this way we can put your new Audya 5 in the back seat for the ride back ...

t.

Ketron products are packed into a container or containers and travel the Ocean. Once they arrive, they products must clear through customs.



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Perfect

so it seems some people already have Audya5 but just not here in US :-(

No chance, USA last on the list!

Thats the KeyWord...US+A...

how many knots are we talking?

less than 10 I think , going through a hurricane, oh no , could there be another perfect storm brewing?



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perhaps the carribean & reggae bands found them all and are using them as we speak

Have I been out of the loop that long? What the heck is the Audya 5? I remember everyone talking about the "Audya", and even played on one about a year ago, but the Audya "5"? I made a google and youtube search and couldn't find anything for "Audya 5". Someone please explain...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chony:
Have I been out of the loop that long? What the heck is the Audya 5? I remember everyone talking about the "Audya", and even played on one about a year ago, but the Audya "5"? I made a google and youtube search and couldn't find anything for "Audya 5". Someone please explain...[/QUOTE.

The Audya 5 is 61 key version of the orignal audya 76.

What does it have that the original Audya does not? Or is it the same thing just 61 keys?

The specifications is precisely same….
Only difference, is the switches for multiple use, and keys of course!!!

Does anyone know the exact weight on the Audya? It says here:
http://www.ketronmusic.co.uk/products/ketronAudya5.html

...17 kg. For some reason I thought it was 50+ lbs.

Lucky

Yes....It is 17kg...

but......what does 17 kg translate to. There seems to be different "kg's" in the world. Is this the kg that equals 2.2 lbs?

Lucky

I just saw the weight (37 lbs.) on frankieve's post.

It leaves me more confused about the Audya line....I haven't been following it that closely.

Can someone tell me what the new Audya models are...both keyboard and modules? Is the Audya 5 a keyboard and, if so, have the kinks been ironed out from the original Audya?

Lucky



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Mine weighs about 37 pounds.
DonM

The Audya and Audya5 are the same size and same weight.

Differences (appart from no. of keys) Audya vs. Audya 5 - why not just looking into the specs:

Weight:
Audya = 18,5 kg
Audya5 = 17 kg

Assignable Tabs/Switches:
Audya = not available
Audya5 = 16

Digital SPdif In/Out
Audya = Yes
Audya5 = No


Joe


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audya and audya 5
76 key vs 61 keys
same size?

i dont think so,

but maybe im wrong

Glenn

the Audya is 45" wide
the Audya5 is 39" wide

how is that the same size?

I Audya has pitch bend and mod wheels, the other one has a joystick.
I'm thinking about selling my Audya and getting a 61-noter. Not that I need one, but I do need a tax deduction.
DonM

good idea Don...your a Stick man for sure

I've been going to the wrong Ketron site....just found the manufacturer site.

So there is the original Audya, the Audya 5 (61 note), and the Audya 4 (the Audya arranger module)?

Wait...I just looked at Frank's posting again. I see now. It's the 61 note keyboard that weighs 37 lbs. And he also posted the specs on the Audya 4 module.

I could buy into that keyboard, if it sounds even half as good as the SD series.

Lucky

It seems to me that the Audya 4, unfortunately for the one that carries it around, is definetly more than 15 lbs as shown in the specs, believe me...

no offense, but what's big deal if it's 15 or even 20 lbs?

even a girl (no offense) can handle that

Leezone, you're right. My Audya measures 45" and Ketron specs the Audya5 at 39"

Anybody want my Audya? I will probably get a 4 or 5. Mine works great and already has the new sounds.
DonM

ok, since nobody wants it,
i'll take it...

ship it to NJ, thanks

why you trading for 4/5? the weight and size?
the 16 prog. buttons?

lee hurry nows your chance to get one at a reduced price...

Unless it's a super good price
I'm not interested

I Already own a big heavy 76 note. G70
don't think I want another.

Unless it's a super good price
I'm not interested

I Already own a big heavy 76 note. G70
don't think I want another.

Frank,

any updates on the shipment?

hasn't landed yet

Until consumers start fighting back against these exorbitantly over priced high-end arrangers and/or arranger modules Yammie and Ketron and the others will keep licking their chops and laughing all the way to the bank at our expense. Since I am a conscientious consumer advocate I feel strongly compelled to voice my concerns with others regarding these huge price discrepancies (rip-offs) and by doing so to hopefully see progress with manufacturers in lowering their prices in line to their products true value and worth instead of price gouging the world's populations in the name of greed.
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Mike
You are a long way off base here, last quarter the music division of Yamaha made net operating income of under 2% on sales - and this was an improvement on the previous year. And this was before corporate expenses, which plunged Yamaha into huge losses.
The number of $2000 per unit profit you mention is probably way overstated, and in any case would be gross margin, not profit. Most companies selling this kind of technology need gross margins in the range of 30-50% before they can show decent net operating income, because gross margins will not include many other overhead costs, like legal, accounting, admin, development, marketing interest expense etc etc. In a good comapny gross margins of 30-50% might net 10%, and that assumes you hit your projected volumes to absord overheads. Even if they did sell 500 units, that would probably not be in a single year, so nobody in a company like Ketron is likely to be getting rich at the consumers expense. In fact, with strong competitors all losing montey, there will be a big squeeze on margins in this kind of market, and fir companies like Ketron its probably a constant struggle for survival. Ask yourself, would you run to buy Ketron stock because they were making so much money?MikF

ketron shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as a Gigantic Successful multi divisional corporation as YAMAHA...hey if you cant afford something that tuff luck, save for it, work more for it, or just forget it.....no reason to degrade a company just because YOU don't think all the R&D and all else that goes into making a product that is very well worth alot more then they are charging IMO.Don't think so?.....try making it yourself... not to mention all the joy you get playing thier musical products which to me is priceless.
What do you want everything for free?....

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the reality is this my friends...

Ketron forces nobody to buy AUDYA
Ketron forces noboby to upgrage your sound for a REASONABLE 35 euros
Ketron's overall sound and styles are like no others, in your face live, real, authentic, musical, like a real band

Ketron IS expensive, we all know that

But so is a Bentley,

and to me, the Ketron is the "Bentley" of ALL arrangers,

and of course Bentleys come with a price.

just my $0.02

Guys - you misinterpreted my post. The first paragraph was a quote from an earlier post from another member on this thread (Dan01. He was saying that the consumer is being ripped off by these keyboard companies who make huge profits from each keyboard. I was responding to this by pointing out that this is ridiculous because even a mega corp like Yamaha cant make money at these prices, and is in bad shape. So for a company like Ketron its probably a constant struggle to stay in business while remaining competitive and its the consumer who is getting the good deal. Even if his statement that they could profit a million bucks from selling 500 Audyas was correct - and there is no way it is even close to correct - spread over 3 or 4 years that wouldnt actually be much of a return on investment.
The Audya 5 is a great keyboard at a great price, - probably several steps in technology ahead of the anticipated new Tyros 4 and at lower cost - and so it will be my next purchase. I believe we are all in agreement!
Mike

Hi All,

The problem I think with Ketrons high price is based on the number of KB they can sell. You cannot compare Ketron with Yamaha, they will only sell a fraction that Yamaha sell.

Sorry but it is as simple as that!

The T3 perhaps, has sold in 1000s, I don't think the Audya WW as sold 500, they will be lucky if they have got the setting up costs back yet??

It was not my post. I replied to Mike's quote. Please read again.

Apologies Dan, you are correct, I should have said keybplayers post.

Mike

where's my AUDYA?