MAP was removed on Tyros 3 Dealers can advertise it at $2500 if they want to.LOL.

Motif XF will be shipping in Sept. However I am keeping the XS8 as the XF is not the upgrade I expected and many features are being released for the XS8. The sampling section has been improved VIA a $300 memory card and no native Fire wire support this time around.

I hope the T4 is a better upgrade. I would like to either eliminate the hard drive and record directly to USB or add the ability to record 8 tracks of audio. 76 keys may be possible as they releases the s90X as the S70X with 76 WEIGHTED keys. No one has that to my knowledge.

IF the T4 is all that I will be selling my studio use only T3 and picking one up using Yamaha's great employee purchase program.

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Why not just wait and see untill its release.?...instead of dreaming with a crystal ball

Why not just wait and see untill its release.?...instead of dreaming with a crystal ball

Better to sell the T3 BEFORE the T4 is officially released. Although maybe you are right the difference in price will be about over $2000 between my T3 and a new T4 for a retail customer

Long time no see Kingfrog.

Hi Frogman:

I'm curious to know if you have heard of a replacement for the S910... or if the T4 may impact the price of it as well? Welcome back.

Dave Rice

First T4.........follwed by a new S series unit a few months later....

nice to see you posting again Kingfrog :-)Welcome back.

I'm still not convinced that the T2-T3 change was anything more than a minor incremental upgrade. What did you get? A minor tweak to the NTT for guitar parts, a tiny handful of new SA sounds, a handful of other sounds and some sliders.

I just can't see anyone who might actually have to pay retail wanting to change a T3 into a T4, especially if Yamaha dealers drop NEW T3 prices to $2500 (that's going to depress used value of your T3!) and the price of the T4 remain where T3 was prior to the drop (if not go up - it will be interesting to see whether Yamaha, who have kept the MoXF at exactly the same price as the MoXS, decide to rape their arranger users by hiking the price despite the recession).

Every time we have a new Tyros come out, we get all excited at perhaps the possibility that capabilities and features from the Motif line will make it into the arranger line. But it never happens. So, I wouldn't be holding my breath for multitrack recording, or synth arpeggiators, or decent, punchy drums, or vast increases in effects architecture, or Flash RAM for samples, or DAW control from the arranger's panel controls, a 76 weighted, or anything earth shattering like that.

You'll get a few more sounds, a few more styles, maybe finally a better Songbook, some minor OS tweaks, and that's about IT...

Just like you did last time!

If that's worth trading in your T3 and taking a, what? $10000 - $1500 loss, best of luck. I didn't see a mass migration from T2 to T3, and, knowing Yamaha tend to keep doing what they do until they HAVE to change, I doubt I'll see a mass migration from T3 to T4. Possibly a T2 - T4 or T1 - T4 migration might make sense, but unless you work for a music store, I'm not sure going T3 - T4 is a good move.

I'd LOVE to be proved wrong, though! Just imagine if the T4 actually DID have all we wanted....

No, it doesn't seem fair to raise your hopes up like this

got to agree.
BTW good to see you posting again.

I's bet you $$ that Yamaha is up to the same old game..give us what THEY want...not what we want. Spoon feed us model by model to get our $$. You know why they do it...because we let them!

SO, guys & Gals don't do it this time!

That is the only way we will get what we want instead of what they want to spoon feed us.

I just looked at the price of the T3 at Sweetwater.com %4600.00
No way. I had one here for a full day..it's nice..but not that nice.

I paid $3,000 for my PA2XPRO. (Still can get one at that $$)
If the PA3XPRO is graet...and it is the same $$ or close, I may do it. but not no $4,600.

Lee S.

We can't afford what WE want..!

I've seen some people's shopping list, multi-track recording, VST instrument support, 76's, you name it. If we assume that a simple, VERY minor upgrade is what is really likely, and let's assume the price doesn't drop radically (fat chance!) then basically something almost EXACTLY the same as a T3 will cost, let's say roughly $3500, now start figuring out what all those EXTRAS would do to the price...

And you thought the Audya's were expensive!

Have no fear of raising my "hopes"
BTW.....I see you have not changed much.....still an asshat...


OK here you go math man....I pay 10% UNDER dealer cost for all Yamaha products working part time at a dealership. Thats how I bought my XS8, MSP7s, Tyros 3 and some other gear from different manufacturers who play nice with those who sell their stuff. Only rub us I cannot sell for one year.

IN that regard I did not pay close to the at the time MAP for the T3. Then Yamaha raised the prices after I bought mine giving me a very nice cushion. Even if a Dealer would sell a new T3 for $2500 (which I highly doubt) and I sold mine for $1900 I still would not have taken a huge beating and if the T-4 drops MAP to $4000 from $4500. I will sell mine for $1800 if I want the T-4 But Yamaha RAISED prices in the depths of the recession on both the Motif and Tyros. So I don;t think they will lower the price they already raised to $4500


I likely could get what I paid for mine or at most $200 less in a heartbeat. Judging from what I am seeing used ones go for on Ebay...(which is ..uh NONE!! LOL The least expensive new T3 is $3200. I am pretty sure I could get $2000 for mine easily right here on this board if I put it up for sale or even less if the T-4 is reduced and is at least as good an upgrade as the T2-T3.

IMO The Sliders alone and SA voices would have been worth the T2-T3 upgrade. I never saw a T2 so I don't know much about it but if it did not have those sliders......They are the best physical feature of the T3 next to the tilt screen. Both of which My short lived Korg Pax1 had. (albeit the motor being gimmicky)



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I really don't see an upgrade for the S910 for another year. The 910 only came out last year. Unless it was an "incremental" upgrade. I don't know if Yamaha does those.

I really don't see the Tyros 4 coming out very soon. There is nothing out there except rumors. But who knows. We are going to have Peter Baartmans here in a couple weeks. Maybe he will offer some info.

Diki did say "unless you work for a music store". I don't always agree with him, but I don't see any reason to start calling him or anyone else names. I've never heard the term asshat before, but I'm betting it's not nice.
And I'm also betting he doesn't take the bait. No, I'd probably lose that bet.
DonM

And he KNOWS I do and still took his usual shot....which is why I don't frequent this playpen much. Will people buy the Tyros 4 that own the Tyros 3?

YOu bet they will just like those who had a Tyros 2 bought the Tyros 3. Yamaha will sell them and those who can afford $4000 for a keyboard every few years will buy one. People with an XS8 will look to buy the XF8.

To indicate otherwise is naive and out of touch.........yeah thats redundant. I know.

I will leave now......enjoy the octagon.

Oh I agree with you that a lot of people will do the "upgrade". But I'll bet there's not that many on SZ who will. I'd like to think we are smarter than that. Aren't we?
Maybe Yamaha will fool us this time and have something significant, like a decent vocal harmonizer or drums that sound like drums!
DonM

Whatever , i will buy it.

Impuls

Impuls, I understand your way of thinking...I am pretty much the same...buy with out justifying the purchase (to an extent)..but many if not most folks need/want to have a reasonable expectation of improvements to upgrade within the top of the line products..

The track record of the Tyros series seems to be small steps in the improvement area...improvements that other companies provide as updates via software..

Arno,
Me buy 2!

Fortunately in the Netherlands we do not have to invest 4000 euros (as stated often here), since we treat our equipment well and the 'plastic toys' still bring in an acceptable amount of money as we sell them ... ha!

CU soon

Making a comment that explains the difference in priority between those fortunate enough to work in music retail and the vast majority that DON'T is hardly an insult, Kingfrog. But your reply obviously IS... It appears you have changed little, also.

The pot calling the kettle black OMG!

DonM Oh I agree with you that a lot of people will do the "upgrade". But I'll bet there's not that many on SZ who will. I'd like to think we are smarter than that. Aren't we?
Maybe Yamaha will fool us this time and have something significant, like a decent vocal harmonizer or drums that sound like drums!
DonM
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If the demo is anything to go by Don that we have all seen, looks like not much of a difference, unless this was just a mischievious way to throw us all off what the real product will be.
Although I still say why would they change a winning formulae, for them the SZoners are not thier market, and i still say give us a Motif SF with tyros features, and then we are talkin, but i believe that it will never happen, because MI pro at Yamaha will never allow it.

No one knows for sure if that was a hoax or the real deal T4 demo ? So why not just wait and see?...meanwhile make great music with Yamaha arrangers like the Tyros &
S series units, as of now there is more then enough tools & features within them to do that....besides they sound fantastic!

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