http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail.html?CNTID=5126834&CTID=205500

It's 2:34 central time. The link to the demo site should be next

Scott,
Many thanks for the link,I get to try one on the 15 October at my local dealer.

Gilbert.

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Heres the Overview Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dON9rFsZDTQ&feature=player_embedded

Bill

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Be sure to check out the many other T4 videos they have up.

Well, this shouldn't be called Tyros 4 but Tyros 3.5 or even Tyros3v2...

Watched most of the demos, and found nothing new nor exciting... am I missing something?

31.9 LBS

Wow! That Grand Piano sounds very, very nice. I think they got it right this time.
Grand Piano demo

But that Boys Choir sample and the Latin Voices really blew me away! Just listen to them...
Voices demos

The Ballad Soprano Sax is also awesome. I would really like to have that sound on my PA2X pro :-). I don't know if it is all that different or better than the SA2 Soprano Sax on the Tyros 3 though.

Mhmm, I didn't expect to be this impressed about what seemed to be a minor update. There were a few weak sounds on the Tyros 3 that are important to me: acoustic pianos and vocals. Now these seem to be top notch, I might be tempted to switch to Yamaha (for the first time ever).

If only they added those 15 missing keys, it would be a no-brainer.....;-)

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Haven't you heard? No arranger player needs a 76! Learn to take no for an answer!

Mind you, I nearly fell off my chair watching that arranger player have to press buttons to get the lower octave. Seems even HE can't make do with 61 I guess it begs the question.. WHY even bother with the piano sound, if you can't be bothered to give a pianist enough keys to play it with..?

http://www.youtube.com/user/TyrosYamaha#p/u/184/ym_rwU1gX14

Here's about 50 demos that are easy to get at.

Maybe you didn't listen to all of these 50 or so demoss. If you still say that after hearing them, then I don't know



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Yes, I hear you and I sympathise with you. I WOULD be missing the 76 keys of my PA2X, but I must admit I am "charmed" by al the goodies the T4 has to offer. The octave switching made me smile though. That really emphasized the need for more keys to properly play the piano sounds. But please, let's leave that discussion for what it is (in the other treads). I already regret mentioning it.

Ok, one more time about the keys....
Does anyone of you know how the touch or key feel of the Tyros3 keybed is in comparison to the PA2X? Or the G-70 for that matter, because that was my previous board.

OK, so there's SOMETHING new and exciting... but is there enough? A few new lead sounds, a few new styles, a few new OS features.

Is a few enough?

It makes for some interesting reading to go back and re-read the posts when the T3 came out, and the T2, and then to go and listen to the factory demos for each of those. Same comments, same arguments, same sound. Same people, three years later getting all worked up about the exact same thing, and precious little difference in any of the demos.

My G70 sounded like a completely different, and better keyboard than my G1000. That's why I got it. If it had shown as little improvement as, say the T2-T4 jump (let alone T3-T4), I highly doubt I would have made the switch. But there are those that were agog at the T2, bought it, and then were agog at the T3, bought it, now agog at the T4, probably going to buy it. Seems like 'agog' doesn't last very long, does it?

I bet you something... Play a T2 factory demo, then a T4 demo to a lay person, ask them if they liked that keyboard (don't tell them it's two different ones). Bet you they say yes! And I bet you few of them tell you it's two different keyboards, seven years apart!

Factory demos are the great equalizer... They show that, once the hype and novelty wear off, just about ANY modern arranger sounds great! And that a great player on older gear will STILL beat 99% of us on the latest model.

I know, factory demos are a bit misleading and I would never buy an instrument without demoing it myself. The reason I am tempted this time, is because them seem to have adressed the sounds that were not up to par with the rest of them (and seem to have also incorparated them in the styles).

I will certainly go to one of the store demos and have a listen and maybe try it out myself a bit. The first one in my area is on September 30.

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What struck me listening to the demos is the keyboard is now a; "Doo Wah Dup Do" keyboard. All the styles have the Scat voices in them giving them a Lawrence Welk sound that is just SOoooooo outdated. I liked the Hip-Hop Jayz New York style. The drums now sound exactly like the Korg Pa2xpro drums which although better, still PALE in comparison to the Audya.

Not a few...the number of SA and mega have been increased dramatically...the pianos are now SA as well.

Styles are all enhanced, especially those using SA voices, with another 50 brand new ones.

Certainly it is not a totally new instrument...it is still a Tyros.

Your reasons for upgrading to the G-70 were wise, but no more prudent than someone going from a Tyros (original model) or mid-range PSR to a Tyros4.

The target customer is someone who has an older PSR or Tyros, although I'm sure there will be more than a few Tyros2 and T3 users that will want to buy one, because it is a significant sonic upgrade from the already great sounding previous instruments.

Ian

Personally, I don't think factory demos ARE misleading... they are great players, getting the BEST out of each instrument, as much as can be. They are ALL massaged to an extent, so the playing field is pretty even, IMO.

And the best T2 demos stack up pretty well against the best T4 demos. If the T4 WERE head and shoulders above the T2, one would expect to HEAR it in the demos. Me, I hear an inch or two growth. But head and shoulders? Hardly.

The most significant thing in the T4, IMO, is the FLASH RAM, and the value of that won't become apparent for a long time, until Yamaha release a large enough library of new sounds for it that it becomes usable. It's taken them since the T2 (or did the T1 have a sampler, too?) to come out with a tiny handful of new sounds for the line. They had better do better than that if the potential of this feature isn't going to be as wasted as 99% of Tyros players find their current sampler.

Ian, many of the new SA sounds share the same sample set. It's not like they are ALL different. Some may indeed simply be re-workings of older sample sets, too. Same for Mega Voices, etc.. You KNOW how the marketing boys like to play the numbers game..!

It's not until someone gets their hands on one and investigates it carefully are we likely to know exactly how many BASIC sounds are completely new.

There are some with T3's that will say ANY improvement is 'significant'. Me, I like to keep the word for something that truly is. Distance tends to be the final judge of this. The week that something new comes out, everybody is giddy with excitement. A couple of years later, maybe not so much! In retrospect, the T1-T2 shift WAS significant, SA opened new doors and upped the ante bigtime. I think most Yamaha users would agree. Would so many of them think the same improvement came between the T2 and T3? Somehow, I doubt it. I certainly didn't get that impression from those that made the jump when the T3 first came out, or considered it after a couple of years of reading posts about it.

Will the T3-T4 jump be as significant as T1-T2? Only time (and lots of it!) will tell, IMO. So far, only the usual Yamaha fanboys seem to be throwing the word 'significant' around. Let's wait a while, and see if less biased listeners join in...

Un-biased listeners?

Well, that leaves out Roland fanboys like you and Frannie. I'm sure you guys must have Roland tatoos on your bums...lets see, a big "R" on one cheek, and "land" on the other, so when you bend over it's R o land.

That's also why we Yamaha users and supporters (far more accurate terms than "fanboys") don't put much credence in your opinions.

They do bring a smile when I read them so they aren't entirely worthless.

Ian

Well, I consider myself unbiased since I never even owned a Yamaha instrument, nor was I tempted to get à Tyros before. I must admit I am very interested this time and will certainly try it out myself once I get the chance.

This is definitely significant. I find these demos extremely impressive. Those brush drums sound hyper-realistic to me. The grand piano, the vibraphone, the vocal demos, they're first rate.

This is a major improvement over the Tyros 3. I think this is more like Tyros 4.5. It looks like Yamaha went way beyond a perfunctory upgrade.

You get 50 new styles, hundreds of new voices including several dozen new drum kits and a killer grand piano, and a new vocalizer + many more goodies.

I feel for you guys who need 76 keys. It must be very frustrating that this keyboard doesn't have them.

It's going to be a painful year or two, waiting for the successor to my PSR-S910 to come out and hoping that as many of these improvements as possible make it onto my next keyboard.

Beakybird

Make sure you play all the videos on "720" quality setting, (selectable between 360 480 and 720 on the lower right corner of the youtube window that pops up) or else you will get significantly lower quality audio.

Another thing, I did listen to 4-5 style samples and 2 of them were rip offs of actual songs (the "60's rock rising" or something is a copy of the House of the rising sun and the "Synth Pop Duo" sounds as close as possible to the group "Modern Talking" which were coincidentally a (German) synth pop duo with a disctinctive sound in the mid late 80's

the synth pop duo style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ian3iGBeiqw&feature=player_embedded#!

modern talking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kHl4FoK1Ys&ob=av2n

How many styles are like that?

update: I had my wife listen to the style through headphones without knowing what it was and I asked what she thought it was. The reply: "Sounds like Modern Talking"

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Ian jealousy is a terrible disease

Those demos sound awesome on 720.

Looks like I may be asking Santa for a Tyros4 for Christmas.

Ian

Sorry, Ian, but you KNOW how critical of Roland I am. If you were even a TINY fraction that willing to proffer a criticism of Yamaha, you wouldn't deserve the 'fanboy' label. Sadly, there's absolutely NOTHING that Yamaha do (or don't do) that you aren't 100% supportive of, even to the point of berating and belittling others on this forum for wanting Yamaha to provide something that, if they DID, you would only be too happy to once again gush over. That, IMO, is the purest definition of 'fanboy' I can think of.

Ian good luck with your NEW Tyros 4...
I know you'll enjoy it.Yamaha has nailed it this time for sure!



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Come on, Diki...stop hijacking this thread...please.

I promised Santa I'd be good so I can get a Tyros4 for Christmas.

I've even asked him to send you a book by M. Harris called,

The Joys of Sixty-One

Don't worry...it's non-fiction.

Stop calling people names and they won't call you names....simple, eh? Simple kindergarten logic, we both can understand.

Diki, my friend, did you ever try living in the present? One leg is always in the past, the other stuck in tomorrow, and you pee all over today.

You can't seem to enjoy anything that's happening right now...it's always got to be "shoulda, coulda, woulda", and "Why didn't they?" "Why isn't it?" If only they had...""If only it wasn't..." etc.

You miss the enjoyment of the present and what is being accomplished right now.

I'm glad I don't have to be that busy...or messy.

Santa's gonna end up giving you a big lump of reindeer poop if you don't stop being naughty.

Ian

PS...I'm sending my letter to Santa tonight, so be on your best behavior, or it's poo for you....


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Don't need Santa's address. Still happy with what I've got.

Iana
Why are you doing that to Diki? Just because he has a better thaught process than you and is able to see beyond Yamaha's overmarketing does not mean you have to treat him like that. I just wish Iana and Diki can have a good discussion and not call each other names.

Maybe diki will analize this thread also...as it's going to the deep south now

lets recap....
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail.html?CNTID=5126834&CTID=205500

Genny, you're so cute...a little Sweetie.

I hope you make somone very happy someday.

I actually have had many great (and civil) discussions with Diki, both on SZ and in private messages, certainly better than the ones I have ever had with you, because, unlike you, he has a working brain.

Now, go take a long walk on a very short pier.

You are way out of your league, and I'm getting bored with your silly comments, so find someone else to be goofy with...please.

Ian

looks and sounds good How many tyrosesss' do we need though, before we finally "get there"?


Anthony

Ahhhh...a rebel without a Claus, eh!

Ian

I find the demos very good.
I think the ones currently playing Yamaha for their reasons should be very excited about the instrument!

Since it is pretty much the same price as T3..it's a no brainer for those having older Yammies and wanting to upgrade now.

Tom NL etc. for those playng Roland, Korg etc...not so much. It is still a Tyros which is a PSR. It still has the same OS, and features. For those that bought other than Yamaha for their reasons...I personally don't think it is any reason to change to Yamaha.

Same functions....some new and great sounds..and some great styles...but it is not a PA2XPRO or a G70. I kow the Yamaha players may see that as a good thing...we do not. After all Yamaha does have a lot to offer...so why did we go another direction?

The only reason I would switch is if I re-evaluated and decided to be satidfied with the Yamaha way of doing things. Have not ruled that out But I would be giving up a lot to get the new sounds & styles and after a while I might be sorry??

So, I move slowly...I will need to play one for 3 weeks to decide if I want to completely change my direction. I will be fair and give it a go.

Lee S.

Well said, Lee...I feel the same way and I have a Yamaha.

The proof is in the playing, and how the instrument fits for your style of playing, and how the OS works for your needs.

I, too, am waiting until I have quite a few hours on the Tyros4 before I make my decision.

The wonderful third party support and great user forums are what add a hidden value to having a Yamaha.

I'm a great fan of the PSR-S910...it's a wonderfully playable instrument, and I'm quite happy with it, and it would take a lot to make me change.

So far, what I've heard and read about the Tyros4, is slowly convincing me...I didn't feel that way about the Tyros3, but the T4 seems to be a substantial upgrade on an already excellent instrument, so it may be what fits my needs, which is mainly recording and doing little video soundtrack backgrounds for some friends.

My only wish so far, is that it had a good set of built in monitors...but, that's just my little want, and not a deal breaker.

Good luck, and I'll be interested to know how you feel about it after testing; you might have yours before I get mine, and I know you'll give it a thorough and detailed evaluation.

Ian

Don’t do that. Why do you always have to go so low. Don’t you have any class?
Iana I was just trying to save you from self-destructing.
But it seems as if you are so caught up with your self and harassing Diki that not even I could help you.
If I were Diki, I would demand a public apology from you.
But I will try one more time to bring you back to meaningful and serious discussion (although you will probably play the class clown again).
Those Yamaha sounds and styles are great. Does any one know how would the MP3 recording work on the T4?

Look pal, if you were Diki, he'd demand a public apology from you.

This is an excellent time for you to become a missing person.

Ian

"Tyros 4 page up on Yamaha"

THIS

So would you know about the MP3 recording on the T4?

If it's like the S910 it will playback mp3, but actually records in .wav.

Hello All You Yamaha Fans,

I listened to many of the Tyros 4 demo's this morning. Yamaha seems to put a lot of emphasis on the human voices.

I like the incorporation of the voices in several of the styles.

The overall sound engine to my ear, appears to be the same as the 3.

There is no doubt Yamaha builds an awesome arranger. In fact their entire line up of keyboards are really good.

From what I've listened to so far of the tyros 4, It may be difficult for me to justify the expense involved in upgrading from the 3.

I'll devote more time to listening to demo's as they become available and re-post a more detailed review.

So far, I really like what I hear.

Jim