Hay Iana. Still have not found some one to talk with here on this forum have you?
I supposed since you are the only one hear in Kindergarten it kind of difficult to get some one to talk down to your level.
Perhaps you and your girl friend could sing some of your favorite nursery rhymes or you all can play rock paper scissors


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I have shortened my ID to TTG

Instead of all this bantering and speculation as to who and how many wants what, why not take a look at Yamaha's corporate information, then as I stated on another post, write them a letter. You can also call them, someone wanted their telephone number, at 717-522-9000. They are located in California.

This horse is so dead it's beginning to ROT!

Cheers,

Gary

That's bcause they give their customers a choice.
Lee S.

I have to chuckle when some persons state that this debate has been going on since the T1.
Don’t they realize by saying that it shows that Yamaha has not done what part of the market wants? If there was truly no interest in a good 76 key Yamaha arranger do you think we would be having this discussion over and over again?
If some persons want this discussion to end, then they should also ask Yamaha to make a good 76 key arranger. Until that time we will continue to asked Yamaha to give the 76 key arranger market what they want.

So for those who want this discussion to finish, do as traveling easy suggested and contact Yamaha and tell them to make a good 76 key arranger.

If the PSR S910 successor is 76 keys that would end the discussion.


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I have shortened my ID to TTG

So, Genny, does that mean that you are going to drag this discussion on for another year...or, are you going to shut up, and wait and see if the PSR-S910's successor has 76 keys before continuing?

Ian

And that is why you have a choice NOT to buy a Tyros and buy the myriad of Arrangers that have 76 keys or buy a MIDI controller for those extra 15 keys. Yamaha will not make the Tyros with 76 keys, If they had any intention of doing so it would have been done already. This has been something Yamaha has been very firm on. Their primary user base (Including me do not want anymore keys)

They sell more T2 than 9000 more t3s than T2s and I suspect will sell more T4s than T3s as Roland has pretty much thrown in the towel on Arrangers, Wersi and Audya is not US centric. All of them and Korg have their loyalists who won;t be buying a Tyros with any amount of keys,

really how many would give up their current non Yamaha Arranger for a Tyros if only it had 15 more keys? I would guess not many.....Yamaha would know "not enough"

I will offer this: The difference in price between the Tyros and 900 side by side would be a lot clearer and justifiable with a 76 Key Tyros

[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 09-26-2010).]

Kingfrog,
I bought a T3....put my second MIDI 76 note keyboard under it...I was trying!
I wanted to use the lower (left of split) for LH...and the right of split for R3(or to play neat sounds on the Kurz.

Ran into a problem with LH hold functions. Called Yamaha support to see if they had a solution...they told me no we don't. I ask if they would request a fix on a firmware upgrade (next one) they said no...they wouldn't do that...because I didn't need the lower keyboard. They said this is a home keyboard and no one uses a lower keyboard (even though the MIDI functions allow for one)!

Returned the T3. Bought a PA2XPRO.
If it was 76 I would have kept it OR...if the LH features were correct..I would have used it with the lower board and kept it.
I liked it.

Lee S.

While I haven't actually searched back to see if this is true, I find it hard to believe that, prior to the 9000pro's debut, there weren't all KINDS of people (perhaps even the very same ones) asking why Yamaha didn't make a 76, and some people (again, probably the same ones!) gleefully predicting that it would NEVER happen...

Never say never...

What kind of market research did Yamaha do to convince them that there MIGHT be a market for a 'pro' 76 (even put the word in the name, Ian ) back then... I bet you they didn't poll the owners of their current 61's, THAT time round! One of the most inane things about this whole discussion is just how MUCH you have to completely ignore in the way of solid factual evidence, before the premise that Yamaha's decision to follow this path is based on solid research and actual data actually holds water.

Not only do all OTHER current arranger manufacturers find that there IS a market for good 76's, but Yamaha THEMSELVES, only a scant few years ago (and we CERTAINLY haven't changed as musicians since then!), found reason to make a TOTL 76. Plus, of course, you have to ignore that the 9000pro failed for reasons that had nothing to do with the 76 - or the 61 version wouldn't have failed, also.

You also have to ignore that Yamaha DO at this very moment make several 76's and 88's, they are just relegated to the 'poor cousin' 'home piano' division, denying them access to the technology that the pure arranger division gets. But they are still unabashedly arrangers in everything but name.

And finally, just as the cherry on the cake, you have to wonder about the shrill tone and combative stance of those SO determined to put themselves as avatars of the truth, and claiming that Yamaha will NEVER do this. If there WAS a preponderance of the facts to support their arguments, you wouldn't think this hysteria would be necessary. I sometimes get the impression that we are being treated like cartoonists depicting the Prophet Mohamed...

We have violated someone's RELIGION.

After all, the loudest braying about Yamaha's infallibility comes from ONLY the people that are satisfied with the status quo. Who also, in the event that Yamaha change their minds AGAIN, would have absolutely nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Imagine all those 76 players happily playing Yamaha, making far fewer 'bashes' (because that is what ANY criticism of Yamaha MUST be, eh? ) and jhoining in your little cult...

Nirvana! 'One of us.... One of us! One of us....!'

But no. The mere THOUGHT that Yamaha might not live up to their predictions is enough to induce this apoplexy of denial. Perhaps the bitter memories of Yamaha forsaking you in the past and TRYING to make something some of it's CURRENT customers didn't need (while not in the least preventing them access to what they already like) is bringing out this religious fervor..?

Just because the FIRST attempt failed, that's IT? 'If at first you don't succeed, QUIT..!'? Makes you kind of wonder why they continued with 61's, as bad as the 9000 was, also

It's time this discussion dropped the mantle of dogma, and started to relate to FACTS, rather than faith...

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 09-27-2010).]

Hi Diki
All the feedback from dealers and owners I have spoken to over the years was that it was only the 9000 Pro that flopped, the 9000 sold as well as any other Yamaha Arranger.

If you want a Yamaha Tyros 76, then badger the Yamaha forums, dealers, distributers and manufacturers, (Forget the general forums) as if enough badger them and convince the accountants there is a profit to be made with a 76 Tyros, then they will make one.

Remember, if at first you don’t succeed try & try again. (Just make sure you target the ones that make the decisions)

Bill

Gary, it is far easier for these long of wind, and short of knowledge self appointed sermonizers to continue with the soliloquizing and empty bantering, rather than actually do something about it.

They don't want to listen to common sense, because, among that lot, common sense isn't very common.

That poor horse...