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#296359 - 10/10/10 12:42 PM Digital harmonizers 101
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: Penn Yan, NY
I have been a long time user of harmonizers and I have found a few tips along the way that make for a more realistic performance.
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First, and MOST important - there is no ONE mix that is correct all night long. I adjust the level between lead and harmony constantly ... sometime even within a song. Using mic technique and dynamic expression is not enough ... sometimes the backups are different - sometimes they are equal.
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Second - identify YOUR sound. Are you trying to do the Beach Boys, CSNY, Boys2Men? Each approach requires a style recognition. Most successful harmony groups had similar, non superior solo voices. The Lettermen for example - sounded amazing together, but very average as soloists. Identify your objective, then study their sound - blend like they do, modify your diction to make the sounds more pleasing. Simply adding 2-3 voices to a mix does not make it better, but it DOES make it bigger, so maybe the end result needs to be reduced in volume, lower the bass EQ, whatever the final mix sounds like is determined by the blend. Use your ears.
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Third - use different patches. Sometimes a simple 2 part harmony is best aka Simon and Garfunkel, Everly Bros and such. I use about 4 basic setups.
1. full 3 parts plus me - fairly equal volume
2. octave lower with NO lead - Barry White
(people actually love this!)
3. one voice 1/3 above the lead - equal balance - works great in lots of cases
4. one above and one below the lead - this is a fuller sound than the Phil&Don patch, but not so bold as the Four Freshman sound.
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When I accompany a lead singer I use the appropriate patch for the song and I LOWER my lead vocal to blend in slightly less than the harmonies. If your lead is too loud - the notes you sing will be out of balance with the rest of the ensemble. If it's too low, the harmonies will sound more robotic and unnatural. Again - CONSTANTLY monitor the bled and make adjustments on the fly.
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Last night, singing with Frans group gave me the opportunity to be the backup band with ooohs and ahhs galore. It was like being in the Carpenters band. I loved it and the result was wonderful. I listened to the lead - followed her inflection, and laid down a pad that kept her voice on top of a lush, flowing blanket of sound that complimented the lyrics without making it muddy or overbearing. That's the secret. The WORDS have to be the top priority always.

For those starting out - use the 1/3 above voice first and get comfy with a song like "Bye, Bye Love". Only use it on the chorus first, and learn the triggering. I use a footswitch that lives next to my sustain pedal. Easy to get to. After you get good at that - add the harmonies where the boys did - almost all the way through with certain breaks for effect. You need to be a vocal arranger now - it's another hat to wear, but it's SO much fun to run the choir AND the band! Have fun guys!
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On a sidenote - the TC harmonizer in the PA800 has been like a dream for me. I use it direct from the keys, or trigger it with my Parker midi-fly guitar and I LOVE the result.
Yamaha has a huge challenge in front of them to compete with how good the TC sounds. I hoe the new million dollar Tyros Platinum has the goods! LOL !
Enjoy singers!
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#296360 - 10/10/10 12:46 PM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
Uncle Dave Offline
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Sorry for the typos. I'm a music teacher - not an ENGLISH teacher! lol
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#296361 - 10/10/10 12:56 PM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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Loc: Dayton, OH USA
Good stuff, all around...



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#296362 - 10/10/10 01:30 PM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
miden Offline
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Registered: 01/31/06
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I have been using them since my PA1xPro...I agree with all of UD's post. Good advice for those wishing to use them.

At a guess, without actually going and counting, I use a single harmony voice about 75% of the time. Two voices for 24% and three or more for the other 1%.

The harmony is meant to complement the main vocal not drown it out in my view. My rule of thumb is 65% of the main vocal, but like UD, I will from time to time, and gig to gig, alter this on the fly depending on the room, the crowd and ... how I am feeling!!

Sometimes I just turn it off altogether!

Dennis

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#296363 - 10/11/10 06:30 AM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
GlennT Offline
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Registered: 12/01/02
Posts: 1790
Loc: Medina, OH, USA
Great post, UD. The worst thing you can do with a harmonizer is to overuse it. I once heard someone use it for entire songs with no changes - really bad.

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#296364 - 10/11/10 06:57 AM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 2580
Loc: Ocala, FL USA
What is your recommendation on use of pitch correction?
Thanks,
Lee S.
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#296365 - 10/11/10 07:28 AM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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remember Dave uses
RIGHT HAND CHORD TRIGGERING......
makes a big difference...

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#296366 - 10/11/10 07:36 AM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
Bernie9 Offline
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Registered: 09/21/02
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Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
Thanks Dave
Since I use left hand and midi triggering, what advice changes ?
Bernie
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#296367 - 10/11/10 12:17 PM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
GlennT Offline
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Registered: 12/01/02
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Loc: Medina, OH, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
remember Dave uses
RIGHT HAND CHORD TRIGGERING......
makes a big difference...


I've been aware of that, but what I don't understand, is how can you then do anything else with your right hand... comping, fills, etc? Would seem like something is missing.

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#296368 - 10/11/10 01:30 PM Re: Digital harmonizers 101
miden Offline
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Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 3354
Loc: The World
Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
remember Dave uses
RIGHT HAND CHORD TRIGGERING......
makes a big difference...


With respect Donny, no it doesn't make much difference at all. The harmonisers look for a chord pattern, NOT the octave it is played in.

The harmoniser algorithms are designed to recognise roots thirds and the altering notes, sixth and seventh.

I could play a ten finger chord and the harmoniser will still only apply the correct harmony note/s according to the basic chord shape.

What DOES affect the sound is the number of voices, usually up to four, and the timbres chosen...Don't mistake the low sound in a harmony for playing a low note on the keyboard. Check and you will find it is a voice set to a bass timbre..

With my PAx's I usually set all the harmony voice timbres and octaves to flat, or 0. This gave the most realistic results, as did setting the harmony to close.

I played chords on the keyboard in full piano mode and in arranger split mode (chord rec on upper or lower depending on the song) and I did not notice any difference on the harmonies generated.

Dennis

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