Listening to the R&B bank.....with those Gospel singers.......now how many times can you ever use those intros/ending in songs before they become so hokey...maybe once?
I also see some of the styles are the same as the S910/T3 also?

I'm quite pleased with what I'm hearing, especially since styles are easily re-voiced, and the whole of the Tyros3 on-board styles will work in the Tyros4 as well.

I'm looking forward more and more to getting this instrument and spending some quality time with it.

Ian

I think I'll have some fun with those Gospel singers as will my audiences.

Just listened to the Swing/Jazz demo. There are some great intos/endings, BUT, I would much rather hear at least one variation, otherwise these samples are not worth much, Why? I remember I used to try to hook a tune with a great intro only to find out the variations sucked

Interesting to note that after a major announcement from Yamaha MusicSoft some time ago I made about the same comment and a bit later found the new styles including variations. don't know if it's still like that, but either way, great intros and endings do not always mean you're going to have variations that will work for you.

I always listen to the variations first and then see if the intro's make sense or not

Most of the recordings I made include a snippet of Variation A and Variation D.

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Yamaha Personal Keyboard Owner

Independent enthusiast website for Yamaha keyboards and digital pianos

Many intros/endings aren't generic,
they are "emulations" of real things: take for example the movie&show track, it has intros/endings very similar to well known themes, Star Trek, Pirates of the Caribbean, Superman, and the problem it arises is the following:

1) You want to play Star Trek theme, and can't use that intro since it has wrong notes.
2) You want to play a different song, but you can't use that intro since if you play it, just after the first phrases people thinks "hey he's copyng Star Trek!"

So they are fairly useless...

Careful King DNJ you may get Iana against you.

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Last time I checked there were at least three intros per style, and by golly you can play your own intro and ending. And, if you think about it, you can also intro any style with any of the fills, or even the break.

And, if you don't like a particular style part, son-of-a-gun, you can turn it off and save the style changes to a registration, or better yet create a custom style.

Lots of options--all you gotta' do is use them.

Gary

Just having you as a staunch and persistent Yamaha supporter is wonderful enough...thanks Genny.

Donny has already told me he is more interested in the next generation S-series than a Tyros4.

Ian

Not sure I would use the Doot doots ,Would rather use live BG and the harmonizer and convert to Mp3 for live play. They sound far too synthetic.. The Oooohs and Ahss would pass muster though.

I think the point is not how many times can I use that in a night.....(How many times will you use ANY style in a performance? But the fact that it is even there and adds another color to your palette of opportunity. even if one one song. There are a lot of "new" songs that can be done using the new sounds....even if only once a night...or once on a CD.

And THAT'S where style editing comes in.Enough can be done to re record parts to put some more distance between the original and one's rendition. I have the same complaints with all the styles. But one has to remember, Arrangers are made to REPRODUCE that which has already been done.....Work Stations are use for completely original creations

Guys and Gals - as y'all know, on a lot of the intros (and endings) it's easy to just eliminate the lead line/melody, and you can add your own variations against the chords and it eliminates the reference line from some popular song.

James Good job thanks for sharing these & kudos on your wonderful website
http://www.yamahapkowner.com/

BTW what do you think of the 61/76 Tyros controversy?..

Good one, Randy, another way of getting more mileage out of a style.

Back in the day, when instruments had only 50-100 on-board styles (or less), having styles that weren't song specific was more important.

Today, with USB drives, there are hundreds of styles available instantly, with the push of button, so having song specific styles is no longer a problem.

Ian

Thanx for the info James, I should have listened to more And thanx for your efforts and great site.

I have about 1500 styles on my G70..ready to play at a touch of the style name..but who in the world would need this many styles..

Tops I use maybe 20 styles (5 or 6 Korg conversions..no Yamaha or Ketron conversions)..
Turning off parts or using the "make up" tools changes the style dramatically enough to not sound over used..

If you have some styles you want to use that are song oriented..okay, what maybe another 10-12...that is 30-32 styles....

Personally, I like what Yamaha has finally done with the "vocal" tones..This has been a missing ingredient in all Yamaha keyboards..Kudos to them for added them...Like previously mentioned..change your style tones if you think it is overdone..

I know changing tones within a style is not as easy as other brands (in real-time)..but you can make the changes and re-save the style..

I will check out the drums on the Tyros4 this week (They have to get better before the board is a consideration for me)..and I need to hear a better over all sound (more live)..someone mentioned Yamaha has improved this...I will know soon...

After these improvements..and a promise of a 76 key version...and a street price of around $3,000.....then I could be a candidate..

Fran, if you get to try a Tyros4, I will be very interested in your impressions.

Because you are a hard-core Roland enthusiast, you won't be going into it with any prejudice or brand loyalty from the Yamaha side of things.

My Uncle Jim used to say, "If you really want to know what a person is like, ask someone who doesn't like them."

That way you'll get a good understanding of their character, without any friendship/loyalty to color the results.

I will be interested to learn if you think it is a substantial upgrade from the Tyros3, which you said you have tried.

Also I would like to know if you feel the sound is more "live."

Ian

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In other words NEVER until the G70 predecessor is released...

just listened to the tyros sound demos. Great sound but the vocals in the styles are teriible and very very unrealistic. You can hear that they have taken the same same 'hey' and 'woe' and 'ahh' and strectched it for every style where it is used and it sounds totally unrealistic unless you have a bunch of munchkins as in your choir. Seriously bad move.are terrible

Munchkins?.....

I wouldn't laugh too much, Donny... As Yamaha love to trickle down Tyros sounds and capabilities to the PSR line, you are probably listening to a preview of what the PSR's next offering's emphasis is going to be.

You'd better start to get to like those Doo-wops a WHOLE bunch more than you do now!

nah,... I have no need for those doo wop, dahdah woopdeedoos, etc.... .....the only thing that would make me upgrade to the S920[?]is a killer VH processor...otherwise I dont see much difference ..........