Ok, I've officially used up my PSR-3000. The mic input doesn't work again, the mod wheel is gone, half of one octave in the upper register doesn't work anymore and screen is beginning to get hard to make out.

So I sold it, thinking I'll have time to look for a new one.

But... I forgot I have a gig next weekend.

So instead of waiting for a PSR-S720 or PSR-S920 or what they will be called.. I have to get something new fast.

I have a limited budget, since I haven't had time to save up for a new one.

But now I want something sturdy, that can take a serious beating. I'm playing for drunken maniacs so it needs to not be afraid of a beer or two.

My DGX-305 allbeit light and plasticky, but I played an entire set out in the rain with that thing, and it didn't break. It kept going. After the gig I could pour the water out of it. And it still worked like a charm.

My P250 piano got five pints of beer tossed into the control panel and keys. I just cleaned it with water and blow dried everything. Still works as good as new.

But that PSR-3000 wov... she got broken fast!

Any recommendations? Arranger, built like a tank, not too heavy, can take a punch or two. At least some fruit punch..

DocZ

LMAO !!!! I think you just became the person most likely to have no-one ever lend you their keyboard for a gig

Doc,

The Audya, did I just say that, at least it will remind you of your PSR-3000. Screens flickers, speakers don't work, locks up, INT PHASE ERROR you certailnly don't have and thats FOC, can you wait until Christmas for the Wersi Wing.

Good luck Doc

Nigel,

Skude would probably give him the Audya to see it die, long and drawn out.

To answer your question,
I am afraid no keyboard ever made would stand the abuse your instruments seem to have had,hope you have learned a few lessons to safeguard any future keyboard you may purchase.

Gilbert.

No Gilbert, MS would, built like a battleship in Italy, in any color you want, but not in battleship grey!

Tony,
doc-z did say arranger.

Any recommendations? Arranger, built like a tank, not too heavy, can take a punch or two. At least some fruit punch.

Is MS an arranger?

Gilbert.

Well Gilbert I am not so sure what the hell MS is or is not!

Safeguarding - not an option...

The DGX-305 was built like a tank... or at least a plastic toy tank. But I think because the electronics in it were based around very low current low voltage, it didn't mind getting wet.

Gear abuse is a part of being on the road. Transporting, rigging, girls using your keyboard as a support structure for their breasts - and guys suddenly deciding spraying you with beer is a reality I just have had to learn to put up with.

The DGX survived 4 years on the road, the PSR-3000 only 1.5 years. A bit ironic that the PSR cost me twice the price of the DGX. Well it sounded better, but it didn't pass the grade on being road wurthy.

I'm looking at a used PSR-900 and a new PSR-S710, and also considering the PA800 and PA2X. Seems no-one is selling a used G70 or E60 here so something cheap and used doesn't seem to be an option right now.

Both the Audya, Wersi and MediaStation are insanely expensive. I have to work like 7 gigs to pay for one of those... and they will probably only last me a year or two. Not cost effective enough.

More suggestions welcome

DocZ

ROLAND G70

Yeah I would buy a G70 in a heartbeat if I could find one...

I've only found one G70 for sale, and the seller wanted $3k for it... and didn't want to budge.

DocZ

My friend Bill was helping me load equipment after the Shreveport Jam last year when he stumbled and fell off the stairs while carrying my Roland E80. He was cut and bruised from one end to the other and the E80 fell full force onto the concrete.
It took Bill a while to recover but the E80 survived without so much as a hiccup or scratch.
In fact I think it put a dent in the concrete.
My late friend HankB had a PSR2000 that I personally saw "drink" two vodka-sevens. It also had a couple of burns. It still works like new and we never even opened it to check it out. That was several years ago.
My experience is that most of these arrangers are pretty rugged.
Once again, I have had no problems at all with the Audya, nor have the vast majority of owners. You only hear about the relatively few that have experienced problems.
DonM

what about having a silicon skin made?

PA800...used
Lee S.

Ten years roadwork with a Korg i30 and nary a glitch. Tough as nails.

I've been using the PSR-3000 every day since they first became available--not a scratch. Sounds as if DocZ was dragging his behind the car on a length of chain between jobs. Just kidding Doc.

I no longer have to put up with drunks, cigarette smoke, and all the other problems Doc described. The smartest move I ever made in music was to get out of the bars and animal club lounges.

Doc, if you are going to remain in that kind of environment, buy the cheapest keyboard you can find--something with no frills, such as the DGX series. In your situation, the keyboard should be considered disposable.

Good Luck in your search,

Gary

I saw an i30 for sale here, but he wanted $2.5k for it... yikes!

Yeah that DGX was a good board. But I can't seem to find them anymore. They only have those with huge weighted keys now. They weigh a ton and are pretty expensive. I mean I gave just $400 for my DGX-305.

In my enviroment keyboards are considered tools, that will after a while get broken. Most of the pianobars I play usually have four pianos that alternate between repair and performance throughout a week. It's a tough job, but someones gotta do it. Who else would support womens breats?

DocZ

This?
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum29/HTML/002809.html

Great idea!

doc:

Just saw a Korg PA-60 at Brents Music in Fort Myers, FL...new condition...guy that had it never played it. $800.00

Also they have a E-80 in new condition...make Jim in keyboards an offer.

Contact Jim 800-936-7625

Mitch

Thank you for your replies with stuff for sale. But sadly I live in the great country of Norway, so listed items in the US are out my reach.

But thanks for the suggestions!

DocZ

I have two old Solton (now Ketron) MS-60's. Used 4 nights a week outside\. Been left overnight outside...rained on, spilled on...dropped. Still work great. They're 15 years old...all metal, and available used all over.

I can't kill them and I've tried. Same kind of situation you're in.


R.

[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 11-20-2010).]

Hey Skude this guy lives in Norway, no tax if you sell the Audya to him, beer down between the keys just might fix it. Maybe it needs a bit of abuse that you can't give it. Think DocZ might fix it once and for all.

double post

[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 11-20-2010).]

Hi Doc,
wouldn't you be better off sticking with some type of Yammie instead of having to try & go thru a whole lot of new styles from a different brand to try & suit the songs you play. Especially if your time is limited ?

I've got an old psr1500, still works well, BUT, it doesn't go on gigs. So whether it's sturdy or not, I wouldn't have a clue.

If you're interested in second hand Yammie, why not check on one of the big Yamaha forums & see if someone has a keyboard for sale. A lot of the members are from Europe.

best wishes
Rikki





[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 11-20-2010).]

What is a fair price for a used Roland G-70?

DocZ

About 10p in UK money, tops £1.00, but yes built like a tank, but never took off in the UK. I had one about 3 years back and when I went to the shop to swop it for a T3 he said he would have trouble selling it I think he gave me about £350.00 for it. You don’t even find them coming up on Ebay, that doesn't indicate that owner’s just hang on to them because they don't want to part with them, there just not out there in the UK. perhaps they think they sound a bit tanky, Tiger or Sherman. I never loved the sound it's an acquired taste.

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 11-20-2010).]

In that case I am not giving this guys £1500 for it.

Docz

Hei Doc,
Du finner nok ikke mange her i Norge, men G-70 i god stand vil jeg anta ligger
rundt 12-15 tusenlapper eller deromkring. Har et selv, men tror ikke jeg selger.
Btw, ligger et SD-1 på Finn.no og det er jo både Tyros 1, 2 og 3, en SD-1 også
endel Korg, bl.a. en PA60 som nevnt over her.....
Ta en titt, bra utvalg akkurat nå.

Lykke til
GJ


Hehe,
guess you all like a challenge to translate from Norwegian language.

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 11-21-2010).]

Heisann, joda jeg har sett disse, men jeg syns 15000,- er litt drøyt for et brett som er over 6 år gammelt. Med tanke på at du får langt nyere brett for samme pris. Så en dude som solgte et PA2X Pro for 18000,- Da henger det lite på greip at et G-70 skal koste nesten det samme. Det samme gjelder for Tyros modellene, du får et nytt Tyros4 for 28000,- da blir det drøyt å betale 21000 - 22000 for en Tyros 3 eller 15000 - 20000 for et Tyros 2. Snakket med en fyr som solgte et PSR-9000pro, men ville ikke gå under 10000 for det.

I mine øyne er ikke keyboard fra G-70 / Tyros 1 generasjonen verdt mer enn maks 7000,- Hvis noen der ute har et G-70 de vil selge til en fair pris, innen neste torsdag, så er jeg interessert. Men ikke over 7000,-

Skattereglene hindrer meg også å kjøpe ting som koster over 15000,- over det så blir det masse styr med beregning av positiv avkastning på verktøy osv... skikkelig papirmølle

DocZ

Translated:


Hello, yeah I've seen these, but I think 15000, - are little more than a board that is over 6 years old. Considering that you get much higher levels for the same price. So a dude who sold a PA2X Pro 18000 - When it hangs low on the fork that a G-70 will cost almost the same. The same applies to Tyre models, you get a new Tyros4 of 28,000, - then there will be little more than paying 21,000 to 22,000 for a Tyros 3 or 15000 to 20000 for a Tyros 2 Talked to a guy who sold a PSR-9000pro, but would not go below 10000 for it.
In my eyes, no keyboard, G-70 / 1 Tyre generation worth more than the max 7000, - If anyone out there has a G-70 they will sell at a fair price, by next Thursday, so I am interested. But not over 7000, -

The tax rules prevent me to buy things that cost over 15,000 - over there so there will be lots of control with the calculation of a positive return on tools, etc. .. real paper mill

Thank you for translating I forgot myself when Johnny posted in norwegian.

Didn't quite get it though, but nice effort!



DocZ

Here is a more accurate translation:


Hello, yeah I've seen these, but I feel $2.5k+ is a bit much for board that's over six years old. Considering you can get a lot of newer boards for the same amount. One dude was selling his PA2X Pro for $3k. It doesn't make sense that a G-70 should cost about the same. The same things goes for the Tyros modesl. You can get a new Tyros 4 for about $4k, so forking out $3.3 - $3.8k for a used Tyros 3 or $3 - $3.2k for a used Tyros 2 doesn't seem fair. I talked to a guy selling a PSR-9000pro, but he would not accept anything less than $1.6k for it. In my opinion a keyboard from the G-70 / Tyros 1 generation is not worth over $1.2k. So if anyone out there wants to sell me a G-70 for a fair price before next Thursday, then I'm interested, but not for anything over $1.2k

The tax regulations prohibits me from buying tools costing over $2.5k anything over is not deductable. Instead you get a whole heap of extra calculations and stuff and you need to factor in yearly positive return over it's value - a real paper mill.

DocZ