http://www.lionstracs.com/store/pro-keyboards-c-154.html

Is my Internet playing up, all KBs out of stock, the best KB on the planet, I can't get the demos to work, my Internet speed tosh I know, but am I missing something here, I was going to buy a MS in the new year but does the MS site make you dizzy with confidence. I don’t like to admit it but I think that Ketron might just have the edge on the website and demos.

Hey Tony, maybe Dom got wind of this and pulled all his stock off the shelf as a precaution. He may have been tipped off by Ketron. Hey, there's always Casio. From what I understand, they're bug free (lighter, too).



chas

Hi Tony.

No problems with the website here. If you go to the main page on the store you can see that the next batches are not due in until the 25th.

There's nothing else to this Tony, there's no conspiracy preventing you from buying one.

If all goes to plan, things are going to get very interesting actually.

Cheers
James.

He Chas,

All joking apart we have had a bit of a rough time with the Audya, it wasn't just me that had the problems and people are still have odd problems, I am just a bit more cautious, I don't doubt that James is right what he says, what have you got now Chas.

Tony

Nothing new or exciting, Tony. Arranger wise, I still have same old PA1X Pro (which I still like and feel no need to upgrade) and the Tyros 2 (which I'm very indifferent about and rarely turn on). Mostly, I play my Nord C1 Organ (on gigs with band mates). I also have a Motif ES, a Roland Fantom G7, Korg Triton, Roland VR770, Roland Sonic Cell, Roland A70 (and A33) controller, Roland PK7a 20 pedal bass pedal, and a stash of older boards not currently in use.

At the moment, the only thing I'm interested in (for gigging only, but don't gig enough to justify it), is the Roland VR-700. On paper, it seems like the perfect gigging board for non-arranger players, but the organ voice just does not stack up to the Nords, despite the convenient drawbars. I may have to take the plunge anyway, though. I'm playing with a new guitarist and sax player and they'd like more variety than just the organ. We'll see. Have a good holiday.

chas

Hi Tony.
Are you thinking of getting a Groove in the new year?
If so, are your intentions to use it as a Arranger or a Workstation?.

Regards
James

James,

I am not bothered either KB, I don't gig just take the KB to the local school and play on open days FOC to help the school raise money, I love it, I still have the Audya and the PA2xPro and a Fantom XR with Blackpool Tower samples. Needs some good styles on the MS hows that going.

Regards

Tony

So...how does he fix the fact that CONTENT is the real thing we want...along with great arranger features (at least us arranger players)????

If I was looking for a WS...I might be intrested.

When he decided to remove the livestyler from MS...he lost my interest. I have LS and it's pretty darn good. The ntegration with all the physical cotrols is what is missig...MS had that covered.

Well...I have a PA2...great content..but I am also interested in a T4 because why...MORE content...from more sources.
Lee S.

[This message has been edited by leeboy (edited 11-25-2010).]

Use Qranger I guess?
Tastenpoint are waiting on the release of ver 5.0 and when that happens from what I gather you can just buy a few hundred styles off them optimised for the Groove.

Don’t quote me on that though, I’ve not been following the arranger side of things with this keyboard too much.



As a workstation it’s all singing and dancing straight out of the box. Damn fine workstation too.



All that’s still there. Qranger is controllable from the same buttons.



It’s likely not the keyboard for you then if your looking for an arranger full of content. Sound… sure, it’s got more than you would know what to do with. But as an arranger you got to be able to do your own work at this moment in time to make it the machine you want.

Well… that is until Tastenpoint release what they have been working on.

Cheers
James

James,
I thought DOM took out livetyler? He announced that.
With Livestyler & the XG and mega voice sound set (GIGA) he had...it would do well wih Yamaha styles.

Maybe I'm mistaken?

I don't have time or talent to take a WS and create arranger content. Anyone else?

Lee S.

Hi Lee.


Well I assume from OS 5.0 onwards the new version of Qranger will be the main arranger program. So I'm not sure if there's much of any loss here. We will have to wait and see what the new Qranger offers.

I would imagine you can install Live Styler yourself too if you wanted to keep using it.



All styles converted to midi files will work the same in Qranger.



It should be interesting then to see what Tastenpoint release.

Cheers
James

James,
Not sure what you mean about Qranger...I haven't heard a decent demo yet of it..but...still waiting.

Aso, The power of the livestyler with MS was the integration of the controllers...installin LS woon't be the same, I think? Ask DOM.
Then let me know.

Lee S.

The OS 5.0 code still support the Live-styler and Live-Arranger engine, you have just to copy the application inside the Presets folder.
I will only not support anymore new features and bugfix from this two application for some reason that you already know..
Also, no more online OS support from my side for this two arranger engines.

Export the yamaha styles with EMC style converter to SEQ mode ( all patterns in one midifile)
Import EMC midifile on qranger and press PLAY.

DOM,
How could that possibly work? Export to a MIDI then Qranger will work like a Yamaha style player.
What about Mega voics? What about eall the style sections?
Please explain in detail.

Also, no I don't know the story on LS...please say reason why you won't support going forward.

I think it is a big mistake on your prt to not supprt LS going forward.

Lee S.

Hi Lee.

I’m not Domencio but I’ll answer some of this.



Simple.
Rather than using a STY format your using Midi Format. The end result is the same thing.



Nothing changes. The sounds have nothing to do with Live Arranger / Live Styler. Qranger will just play back the Yamaha Style through the same sounds.



Again, nothing changes. You don’t use Live Arranger / Live Styler to select the styles in the first place. The Lionstracs OS integrates with the application, so there is no difference in changing styles when it comes to Qranger.

You do it the exact same way.



If the new Qranger does the same job and supports Audio Styles, I can’t see there being any loss. Time will tell though. Roll on the release date of OS5.0

Kind Regards
James.

James,
Thanks for the info...are you saying the MS has mega voice technology for the stles?

Intros, Vars, fills, breaks, endings all work the same?

With Qranger any Yamaha style can be used correctly (except ones with SA-voices in them of course, they would need re-voicing)??

Lee S.

Hi Lee



The short answer is Yes.

The long answer is.....Mega Voice is not a technology at all. A mega voice is nothing more than a sound with more than one mltisample assigned to it and some in some rare cases samples assigned as non-pitched samples. Dead basic stuff that's existed as far back as the AKAI S1000 days.

Sorry, I just had to say that. Yamaha's great at marketing things that have always existed.



Yes.

Just to go into more detail on this. In EMC you load your Yamaha style and you export it as a song. This exports a single midi file that contains all the parts of the style. In Qranger you can then define what measures equal what parts of the styles. The template EMC uses is always the same so it's easy to do.

Once the parts have been assigned they behave exactly like the original Yamaha file. Meaning you can use the Intro buttons, Fills, Variations, and endings as normal.



I'd say that the level of success would be very high without any modification at all. Tastenpoint themselves reported that it was working extremely well under the current version of Qranger.

Wait an OS5.0 comes out. I'll port over some Yamaha styles and give you my feedback on what I think and how well I feel the conversion is.

I've the sounds, I just don't use them. My MS is setup to be a workstation. When I switch it to arranger mode it turns into a Ketron, not a Yamaha.

Regards
James