#325063 - 05/27/1109:57 AMTyros 4: Versatility is the Key !
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One often overlooked benefit of Tyros 4, beyond it's outstanding sound, reliability, and user friendly OS, is it's outstanding "versatility" at so impressively covering such a "broad range" of musical genres, from classical to jazz, country, film score and latin, and from trad orchestral to covering the latest dance grooves. It's equally at home emulating a classical concert hall, intimate jazz club, big band stage hall, local bar, or conrtemporary dance club.
Here's a Tyros 4 presentation by Joachim Phoenix showcasing these points:
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Originally Posted By: Scottyee
One often overlooked benefit of Tyros 4, beyond it's outstanding sound, reliability, and user friendly OS, is it's outstanding "versatility" at so impressively covering such a "broad range" of musical genres, from classical to jazz, country, film score and latin, and from trad orchestral to covering the latest dance grooves. It's equally at home emulating a classical concert hall, intimate jazz club, big band stage hall, local bar, or conrtemporary dance club.
Here's a Tyros 4 presentation by Joachim Phoenix showcasing these points:
1-Excellent presentation. 2- I know that you are a T4 fan, but are no the others TOL arrangers capable of doing the same? Can the G70 do it? Can Audya do it? Can PA2x do it?......Yes !!!
3- I have reach the conclusion that the KEY is no the tool (arranger), but the player. A good arranger player can make miracles in any decent keyboard. A skill-less player can take a TOL arranger, like the T4, and produce a very poor performance.
#325078 - 05/27/1101:09 PMRe: Tyros 4: Versatility is the Key !
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Re: Tyros 4: Versatility is the Key !
Originally Posted By: Machetero
are no the others TOL arrangers capable of doing the same? Can the G70 do it? Can Audya do it? Can PA2x do it?......Yes !!!
Machetero. For comparison, I'd love to hear how classical, orchestral & film score music sounds like played live in arranger mode on a G70, Audya, and/or PA3X/PA2X. Perhaps you or someone else here can post some YouTube video links to showcase this music genre.
#325079 - 05/27/1101:53 PMRe: Tyros 4: Versatility is the Key !
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Originally Posted By: Machetero
[quote=Scottyee]3- I have reach the conclusion that the KEY is no the tool (arranger), but the player. A good arranger player can make miracles in any decent keyboard. A skill-less player can take a TOL arranger, like the T4, and produce a very poor performance.
Fo real -True Dat!
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#325083 - 05/27/1102:20 PMRe: Tyros 4: Versatility is the Key !
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I agree that it's the player's 'competency level' that can make a big difference, but put the 'same' arranger keyboardist on each one of the different arrangers (G70, Audya, Tyros 4) and I think you'll hear the 'strengths/weakness' of each given arranger, including its 'versatility' to impressively cover a broad range of musical genres. This is where I believe the Tyros 4 shines.
#325086 - 05/27/1102:23 PMRe: Tyros 4: Versatility is the Key !
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Originally Posted By: Machetero
I have reach the conclusion that the KEY is no the tool (arranger), but the player. A good arranger player can make miracles in any decent keyboard. A skill-less player can take a TOL arranger, like the T4, and produce a very poor performance.
That is a very common conclusion.
The same could be said about guitars, trumpets, saxophones, drums, and the humble kazoo.
However, it appears, at least from the on-line demos, the performances uploaded here on SZ, and the factory presentations, that the Tyros4 is capable of a more expansive range of musical genres than, let's say, the Roland G-70, the Ketron Audya or the Korg PA-2X.
If you, or someone else, can provide examples of the Audya, G-70, and PA-2X doing the same broad range of musical genres with the same impressive ease, it would go a very long way in showing that these instruments are at least the equal to Tyros4 in covering an incredibly wide variety of musical genres.
Surely, if these other arrangers are equally capable, there must be plenty of examples to illustrate this quality, although, I must admit, I have seen very little so far?
The 'apples to apples' arranger keyboard comparison I'd love to hear is: 'live played' in arranger auto-accompaniment mode, not singing and playing along to commercial SMF backing tracks.
I have reach the conclusion that the KEY is no the tool (arranger), but the player. A good arranger player can make miracles in any decent keyboard. A skill-less player can take a TOL arranger, like the T4, and produce a very poor performance.
That is a very common conclusion.
The same could be said about guitars, trumpets, saxophones, drums, and the humble kazoo.
However, it appears, at least from the on-line demos, the performances uploaded here on SZ, and the factory presentations, that the Tyros4 is capable of a more expansive range of musical genres than, let's say, the Roland G-70, the Ketron Audya or the Korg PA-2X.
If you, or someone else, can provide examples of the Audya, G-70, and PA-2X doing the same broad range of musical genres with the same impressive ease, it would go a very long way in showing that these instruments are at least the equal to Tyros4 in covering an incredibly wide variety of musical genres.
Surely, if these other arrangers are equally capable, there must be plenty of examples to illustrate this quality, although, I must admit, I have seen very little so far?
Ian
Agreed Ian.....you definitely need an arrager KB that is Capable to perform in the manner and style of Tyros 4 in the first place.... playing ability comes in second.
#325092 - 05/27/1102:47 PMRe: Tyros 4: Versatility is the Key !
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Agreed Ian.....you definitely need an arrager KB that is Capable to perform in the manner and style of Tyros 4 in the first place.... playing ability comes in second.
Donny, I also believe playing ability can make a big difference, especially if the performer can play many genres of music with basically equal skill.
Some players are more at home in certain genres, but, the arranger itself should be capable of covering most, if not all, types of music, equally well.
#325102 - 05/27/1103:39 PMRe: Tyros 4: Versatility is the Key !
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Originally Posted By: Fran Carango
Scott the link works..it is the transfer page and only accessible by the given link..and it is arranger mode samples..
I did get on that page, Fran...it sounded like a bunch of style demos, using the intros...mind you, they were quite good.
I'd be very interested in hearing examples of the G-70 or E-80, for that matter, doing some widely different genres with a full musical example (like a whole tune)...maybe a film score (even a simple one), or some other type of arrangement?
The only ones I could find of you playing the G-70 in arranger mode, and/or using commercial SMF, were ones you did with vocals.
Dnj, I didn't experience that problem at all. I assume these all were Fran singing along to commercially produced backing tracks and did not include any live arranger keyboard playing?
Who knows Scot?.. no explanation was given....I'll try it again. But I think these are old also heard them before....
in arranger auto-accompaniment mode, 
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