OK, is everyone setting down?
If not...be sure to.

Tonight I met Craig Knudsen of Yamaha. Sweewater had him in to launch their new line...Clavinovas and Pianos from Yamaha. He did a super demo, performance, and fun presentation, highlighting the 509. What a fine gentleman and a VERY talented player. He is a heavy hitter at Yamaha and works with Tyros, Clavinova and Disklaveir. Works with Martin Harris regularly.

But, here is the real story...do you wish you could sing IN PITCH? I sure do and I have asked for and always thought this is possible with todays technology...well IT IS!!!

Enough said...just go watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaIiuSglLMY

What do you think?
To me it sounds VERY good and not fake or digital.

One word.

WOW! It was so smooth so natural. I dont think TC Helicon can do this. I used to have a Pa1x with the optional pitch correction and voice modelling, this just blows it away.

Am looking into another TOTL arranger, was considering very strongly the Pa3x, now im unsure. If yamaha can come up with this through a software update maybe they have learned a little from korg on releasing updates and upgrades to their machines.

David

That was great.
Any Idea when and where we might see this technology on the market?
Thanks
Eric

Maybe I'm missing something here but what are you doing in the music business if you can't sing on pitch?

Joe

Well Joe,
there you go we are all not as well blessed vocally as you, some of us have not had the professional voice training like you, some of us can just about get away with saying we can sing, especially when we sing in front of old people who are part deaf or tone deaf. Joe if the technology is there Yamaha will use it to sell KBS what wrong with that. Don’t you use echo or reverberation on your KB or is that you straight voice. Life has moved on from the Bontempi , C3 etc, spring reverberation units and copy cat tape echo.


Tonyneeeeeeeeeeeee!

There you are pitch perfect joe.

David,

And WOW from me. I can't sing a freaking note but the christmas I am booked at the home for wrinkles near me, $300 for 1 hour,

MY WAY
STAND BY YOUR BED (MAN)
WE'LL MEET AGAIN

and all that old stuff, they will be rocking in their wheelchairs.
I might even enter "Britains got Talent" watch out Simon

Hi Lee,
that looks like a lot of fun if one can't sing in tune. I've got such a lousy voice , I don't think I'd even be game with that option. haa haa

I've never tried using a vocalizer on the pa800 ( totally wasted on me) , but what would be the difference between that and what's in the Korg? I was just browsing the pa3x manual & noticed it had some sort of pitch correction onboard, I gather the PA2x had it also??
I can't try it coz I don't own a mic.

Is this real done on the T4 ??
And how ??

Impuls

Singing is not always about vocal capabilities look for example at Joe Dassin who has not very powerful voice but he is loved by lots of people (I know he’s dead now BTW). And what this man showed in this video is mostly fun but I don’t think that singing is about that. I think that it’s rather a wrong track.

I've heard plenty of "singers" that can't sing on pitch and on top of it get paid a lot of money.

Actually, you've got to remember, this is mainly intended for fun use in the home. Or is it? I could use it as I'm an instrumentalist.

Maybe I can sing after all. Wonder how much this little addition will cost? I used to work with Craig in the '80's. Great guy and fantastic musician.

Lets all wait and see, it might just be for fun, but hell that guy can sing less in tune than me, so I am going to sound like Sinatra, well maybe not.

It sure sounds great but I would not call it 'pitch correction'. His voice is way too far off pitch.
In my view the following takes place :
There is a midifile playing, midi melodyline is used for setting the right pitch, independent from what note he is actually singing.
With his left hand fingers the next melody note is started. (single step trigger)

I expect this feature will be only available for midifile 'players' ;-)

KLA,

You have really put a dampener on it now, I was looking forward to singing like Pavarotti

At one time I owned a vocal harmonizer that had pitch correction--it was a feature I didn't need, but out of curiousity I tried it out. It followed the chords perfectly. This was a decade or more ago, and the device would only correct up to certain amount, but it did an excellent job within its range.

I don't think this is a hoax, it's just improved technology.

Thanks for the link--it's another WOW factor for arranger keyboard technology.

P.S.: I already sound like Roger Whitiker, at least that's what the ladies tell me.

Gary

Gary,

Pity you can't spell Roger Whittaker right but why should you its Englosh and who am I to tell you
I miss letters and words out all the time, Gary in UK your name is Gazoh, and you are right technology with the T4 is breaking the rules.


Tell you what Gazoh, SZ feels nice now, some good things popping up all the time now, free and easy on SZ

Tony

Joe,
In the music business...who said everyone here is in the music business???
And who says ALL arranger players or any keyboard for that matter can sing or even wants to??

There are LOTS of folks that wouls sing some, if they could....this is a breakthrough technology. BY YAMAHA ONLY.
Also, This is a hobby for me and others....

Gang, some of you...go back and read my post again and then watch it again.
Craig is a Yamaha heavy hitter like Martin harris, he programs and develops software & styles, sounds etc.

And IMHO, why could not anyone use this for any purpose they want??
I heard him sing a little last night and he is not a great singer....but with this, anyone can sing right on pitch every note.

Rikki, YES you could do this. The tone of his voice, and other nuances come from him, BUT the pich comes from the note he is playing on the keyboard.

This is only a prototype, it is on the T4 right now (as the demo shows) but the VH2 HW allows him to do this programming and he told me it is very capable HW ,,,,,just needs mor programming to use it's full potential.

A way we can help get this is go to the youtube demo and sign in and comment. He will then take this to Yamaha for a commitment to add this feature.

No TC Helicon can not do this...I asked them at the Sweetwater gearfest and via their support group.
This is something I asked for for years....a way for us that can not sing well to be able to have pitch correction.

ALSO, watch the demo again...one very big feature is this is not hard tune...the slider he uses determines the AMOUNT of correction.

Leeboy,

I am as happy as you about this, I think this will end up selling lots more T4 and what's is wrong with that, thanks for posting it.

I'm confused, is it a prototype, or is it on the T-4 right now?

Simple question, can Tony currently use this on his T-4, to sing like Gary?

Larry,

This chap is the top Yamaha man on software, it's his job to make T4 better, to my knowledge its not on my T4, let me say I haven't tried it yet.

Tony

Listen to the video all the way through, I think it will be a patch you can buy.

So if I'm understanding it correctly, the basic setup is already on the T-4 harmonizer, but you won't achieve the results shown on the video until if, and when Yamaha decides to release this addition to the VH.

Interesting to see if will be T-4 compatible only, or a stand alone program for use on other VH keyboards.

HI Joe,

In general I agree with you. I feel I sing dead on in pitch, however not across the entire vocal range and sometimes not in all phrasings. Maybe it's vocal training or lack thereof, but there are times while I'm playing I could use some correcting to help out.

And if this does pitch correction, then I'm sure it can produce some T-Pain effects and vocal stepping to add some interesting modern effects to the vocals.

So what is happening when he presses the wrong notes? Or, when he presses the same key on the keyboard for each different notes that he sings?

Watch it again.

And don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by this technology (another challenged singer here). But I would have like to seen the keys being pressed to align with the notes being sung.

-mike

And he's playing with one finger. What happens in style play mode when you're using full fisted chords in the left hand? Then when you get into rootless chords, altered chords, etc., what then? Surely, no-one sings AND plays the melody at the same time, do they? This, to me, smacks of being just another 'golly gee' sales gimmick. Spend the money on singing lessons, folks.

Mike,

I don't think yamaha are in the con business do you, I think it is a upcoming product.


Tony

That's pretty amazing.

That is amazing.

I believe he was hitting the keys to advance the midi file.

I suspect we'll see it as an upload for Tyros4 (and maybe the new PSR).

Ian

I'm really curious what this could do for a very average singer like me. I have pretty good pitch but no vibrato or nice tone.

Also I personally wouldn't want to sing in public if none of my natural voice is retained. I'd like something that enhances my voice not replaces it.

My ROLAND VP770 (and the VP550 before it) does all this and 10 times more, including being a world class vocal harmonizer, a superior vocoder, a decent synth, and a good controller for my BK7m arranger module. It also plays wav's and mp3's with highly synced part markers for to up to 16 parts assigned to the bottom 16 keys of the (very good feeling) keyboard. It has so many other features that would make it a dream machine for poor-singing arranger players, but poor marketing has made it a 'best kept secret' in all but the top end of the music industry. Many well known touring professionals have it in their arsenal and those who have taken the time to explore it, learn it, and are open-minded enough to recognize it's potential, love it. One downside; it ain't cheap (@ $2100 usd). Oh, did I mention that it has 'Supernatural Brass', a Roland feature that operates like the brass on no other synth. Also, great strings and choirs. Oh yeah, auto chord follow, and auto harmony creation from the note you sing (with no keyboard input - plus these modes can be combined, if desired). With this KB, you can literally 'talk' the lyrics (and key the melody) and it will do the rest. This board goes WAYYYYYY beyond pitch correction. You won't be able to see all the benefits and features from a store demonstration; you really need to do some serious research and spend some quality time with it.

Don't want this post to sound like a super testimonial/promotional/sales pitch, like so many of the T4 posts (which, frankly, is starting to get a little annoying -we get it; the T4 is the end-all of the entire music world). This (VP770) is a seriously good instrument for those who need this type of keyboard and are willing to make the investment in time to learn to use it.

chas

Anyone can sing...it is just many should NOT!! Including quite a few on this forum.

Software like this, same as auto-tune and others, should be banned from all but those people who sing ONLY at home for their personal enjoyment/pastime.

I agree with the post that if you are a pro singer, this software should be TOTALLY redundant. Reverb and other ambience effects are okay imho as they are merely enhancements, NOT correctional tools.

Miden


I make it 10 to 1 in favor of the gizmos, anyway you don’t need to turn it on if your voice is so perfect and we haven’t heard you sing yet on SZ, we only have your word for it. It least Joe did the sing.

That's the basic idea, Lee...probably for "home" users, but there are pros who use pitch correct all the time in studios (and "live" as well), so I can see Tyros4 users/singers taking advantage of it when out performing "live".

Definitely a "breakthrough".

Ian

I have never made any claims whatsoever in ALL my time in this place about my own abilities. For the most part it is a waste of time with the egos and "personalities" that seem to haunt it.

I stand by my comment, and Joes, that ANY person claiming to be a professional singer that "NEEDS" any sort of auto tuning or pitch correctional device, should not be claiming such a thing. End of!!

Why are so many people in fear of progress,because that what this is and Yamaha lead the field.

What is funny, Tony, is that "pitch correction" is used by many professionals in the studio...and quite often in "live" performances.

It's hardly "progress", and more like "keeping up" with the norm.

It is nice to see Yamaha be the first to implement such a powerful arranger tool for both amateurs and pros.

Ian

Try this for size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SumqHu9lviA

That was lovely!

Every home should have one!

My home will...all you need is a Tyros4, and I've got that covered.

It will be a real hit at clinics.

Ian

Ian,

It will sell more T4 without a doubt

Tony

Too Funny!!!

Paul, you already have those options available on your keyboard's vocal processor. You can really enhance your vocals by going into the Mic Setting/Vocal Harmony program, then save the settings to a registration specifically designated for that purpose. You can add depth, reverb, echo, change the EQs, and many, many other things that deal with vocals.

Good Luck,

Gary

Wow SZ looks now like a promoting site for Yamaha.

So the $100,000 question? When do we get the update??

And what will the price be?

Hi

probably a really silly question, but,
if one has a bad voice & doesn't sing in tune,
how loud would you have to turn up the keyboard to drown out your own voice to be able to hear the perfect voice coming thru the Tyros. Like if you're singing, you can't exactly whisper.
(I'm sort of refering to home use)

I sold my acoustic piano years ago & bought a digital so I wouldn't annoy the rest of the household & neighbours with my practice.

Tony,
Your welcome...

Kla4,
Watch again, it it his RIGHT hand that is setting the note value....You could play a style or a MIDI with it...would not matter.

OK, we don't know all the details of how it works...Craig has developed it, nevertheless.
My God his voice sounds super....so go to the youtube video, signup and vote to have it...whether you have a T4 or not. That is what he is looking for..SUPPORT for this so Yamaha WILL approve it for T4 and ??

I don't know the details...all he told me last night was he developed the software to do this, IT IS NOT ON THE T4 today.
If you want it...go support him.

Meanwhile, I will conytact him and see IF he will tell me how it works.
IF this becomes available I will buy a T4, 100% for sure. I would have a ball with this.

montunoman,
I am not sure...but if I remmeber what he told me it IS HIS voice, through the VH2, This is not a vocoder, but his main lead is removed and the harmony is what you hear. I also thing he said you only get 2 harmony's with the feature instead of 3.

Chas,
I want to hear a demo of what you said...you sing WAY off pitch and I want to hear the machine put your voice right on the money...just like the demo Craig did.

Ian,
right on...and remmeber Craig is one smart cookie..I have known him (not well, but a few conversations and I bought his software for my Yamaha HS8-T organ) for almost 25 years.

He admits...he did this to sell more instruments...nothing wrong with that.

It is NOT approved to be added to T4 or anything yet..HE NEEDS our support and enthusiasm...or it may die on the vine.

Kla4, Actually I'm not sure how it works...and how hard or easy it is to use...but, he did show it working, and he would not do all this if the average player could not use it...
Maybe more for Karaoke, but I see it being a great fun tool.

I'll second that request! And, post it on YouTube if you don't mind.

Cheers,

Gary

I just e-mailed Craig asking if he would share with us more of how it works and all the ways we can use it (MIDI, Styles etc).
I did not ask him about programming...more as a average T4 user, what do we do to use it.
We will see if he is willing to tell us at this time.

Craig is one clever lad, Lee...and it also goes to show that the Tyros4's VH-2 is not just a simple upgrade from the older harmonizer...I'm told it is all new.

He has my support...I've already posted on YouTube.

Ian

I think he is using either the Tyros4's P.A.T. (Performance Assistant Technology) or "Karao-Key" (another song playback feature on T4) to set the melody notes for his voice, but, I am just guessing.

It will be very interesting to learn exactly how it is being done.

Ian

Rikki, Good question on how loud one has to be to over ride your natural voice. In the video I could not hear his natural voice until he lowered the slider, and he did not sound like he was singing overly loud.. I would imagine it would take a little experimenting to figure out how to adjust the settings to achieve the best effect.

I know there are those who object to this enhancement, and at one time I was one of them, but I have changed. Do you really think that those million plus selling albums were all made without some type of pitch correction? Producers aim for perfect pitch, even if it means "cheating" a little. It's what the entertainment buisness is. Most movies would not be as good without enhancements, as most song recordings would not be good without enhancements.

It appears to be a fun product and for many they'll have agood time with it.

That's Entertainment!

Larry,
The way he explained it to me at the basic level is...when he lowers the slider the pitch correction gradually goes away and you hear his real voice theough the sound system.

Were having fun here...so I'm going to take a stab at how this works....
He plays a MIDI file, it is using guide mode (I think that's what you call it) the T4 is waiting for a key stroke, when he hits a key the next MIDI channel 4 (maybe 1) controls the pitch correction function he added. The lead note sets the pitch for the vocal VH2...processor. It uses the audio from his voice, but, not the main voice, but one of the harmony channels to create the great in pitch sounds...When he moves the slider he is controlling the ratio between the main voice audio on the T4 and the harmony channel.

We'll see how close I am. I could be off as much as my way out of tune singing is!!

This has been the first thing that I have heard on the Tyros 4 that really makes me want to get one.

I would have to know if/how it works with style mode. It looks like he singing along with a SMF and playing the melody. That wouldn't be fun for me.

Lee and Gary. There are plenty of demos of this capability on the VP770, starting with the Roland site. Why would I make something like this up? Everyone is so busy oooohing and awwwwing over this that they conveniently overlooked everything I said. Since Roland has had this for at least 2, maybe 3 generations now, it's just pure BS to say that "Yamaha is leading the field" in this - just more self-promoting hogwash featuring the 'usual suspects'. In fact, it seems YAMAHA is not behind this at all, just one lone wolf employee. I'm betting a dollar to a donut that this feature never shows up on a Yamaha arranger, ESPECIALLY AS A FREE SOFTWARE UPDATE.

The VP770 will not only do what was done in that video, but everything else I said in my previous post plus a TON more, such as an audio recorder and what is effectively an audio version of a 'chord sequencer'. There is another couple that are members here on SZ (though they haven't posted in awhile) that also own a VP770 and who I am sure will verify everything I have said (or just call your friendly Roland rep and ask him - if you can find one that knows the VP770 and it's capabilities). Like me, they upgraded from the VP550 (which would also do what was done in the video). The number of features added in that upgrade is nothing short of phenomenal.

BTW, Frans was right when he said this was just becoming one big Yamaha promotional site. It seems like no matter what the post topic, the greatness of Yamaha and especially the T4, worms it's way into it. Maybe Nigel should split the GENERAL ARRANGER forum into two parts, Yamaha and Everything else, that way us 'Everything else' folks wouldn't have to be constantly bombarded with a steady stream of marketing propaganda blowing down from the north.

And BTW, Lee and Gary. Your posts sounded a lot more like "Oh yeah, prove it" than "Gee, thanks for the information, I didn't know that". But maybe I'm just being too sensitive.

chas

Lee and Gary. Here's an even better idea. If you can, get in touch with Craig Knudsen of Yamaha and ASK HIM if what he demo'd could be done on a Roland VP770. I'm confident that he knows his competitors product well enough to give you an informed answer and honest enough to tell you the truth (since you obviously don't trust what I say).

chas

Hi Larry,

actually I think it's brilliant. If I had a T4, I'd get the option , just for the fun of it, even if I didn't get to use it much. One thing for sure, it would freak out the family, me singing. haahaa

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Rikki, Good question on how loud one has to be to over ride your natural voice. In the video I could not hear his natural voice until he lowered the slider, and he did not sound like he was singing overly loud.. I would imagine it would take a little experimenting to figure out how to adjust the settings to achieve the best effect.

WHAT?!?
No "HIS" voice does not sound like anything - it's digitized. All he does is provide the syllables and duration - the tone, the character , vibrato - everything you hear is the software simulation....it's not his voice made better - it's his voice being HID. I admit, it is a good resample, or whatever the term is, these days, but it's not correction - the kb makes the sound and the pitch. Remember - he turns his voice all the way off with the slider during the parts that you all seem to like. It's a clever gimmick - a lot like the Barry White voice that I've had for years. It removes me from the mix altogether and only plays the octave below.

UD....He told me the tone is his, it is not a vocoder.
We hear his voive not a instument/voice on the T4 .

Chas. doesn't matter if the VP-770 is not an arranger, I could care less what it does. From what I saw/heard it is not an arranger and I did not thisnk the sounds of the singing was all that goos...sounded pretty digital.

I will tell Craig to check out the VP-770 as it may give him additional ideas.

Chas..you are correct...and the G70 also has the same capabilities...I have preached for years ..telling everyone.Roland has the best "smart" harmonizer in the business...I am amazed how little folks that claimed to try the G70..really know..

Well said, Lee. Methinks the Tyros4 harmonizer is far beyond what we expected, and Craig is proving that point.

The VP-770 not only isn't an arranger, but it is limited to a meagre 49-note keyboard and digital sounding voices.

The Tyros4 harmonizer is far more useful to an arranger player than the VP-770.

I am looking forward to any more information you can get from Craig.

Ian

I'll add my vote to yours and Lee's, Gary, but I have a feeling that we may be waiting a very long time...obviously talk is cheap.

Craig put his demo where everyone could see and hear the power of his software, and also demonstrating the Tyros4's VH-2 is more than a mere upgrade from the previous harmonizer.

It would be nice if the VH-2 finds it's way to the upcoming PSR-S-series and CVP Clavinovas.

Ian

This must be the fastest moving post ever and it’s so nice to see more people getting involved with a rational manner, good old SZ back on track, lots to talk about, feels pleasant now.

Its spreading like wild fire

Wow! 980 views at my last count.

Definitely lots of interest in Craig's software.

Ian

Ian,

Well this is the best thing that’s been on SZ for a while and good it is too. I’ll bet you are glad you are associated with one of the best KBs ever.
Ian I have tried singing on the T4 this morning and I think I am as good as Joe, does this mean I can entertain the old folks, still not as good as Miden on the old vocals, get the new T4 software and hell , Britain’s Got Talent for me.

Tony

I showed this demo to my wife and she exclaimed; "You mean this could make me sound normal when I sing and not feel embarrassed?".

This is exactly the customer Yamaha should target with this feature. I think any tool which can get more and more mainstream people involved with music is a great thing.

Al,

20 out of 10 I'll go with that, not sure I would let my missus loose on the T4, or drive my car.

Then why ask me to demo it? I never said it was an arranger; only that it was a keyboard that had that capability. Uncle Dave is right, in that, like the VP770, it uses a combination of your voice and the note played as formant and carrier to form the 'new' voice you hear. On the VP770 there are many, many parameters available to modify the characteristics of the newly formed voice. You can add as much or as little of your own voice into the mix as you like. If, by chance, you CAN sing reasonably on-key, mixing some of your own voice in can add more 'flavor' to the mix, especially if you are doing harmony as well. Of course, none of this matters if you are only interested in this feature as an add-on to a T4. However, since SZ is made up of more than just Yamaha T4 owners, despite their posting dominance, I thought I'd just include information on another product that had a similar capability (and was already available). Since I have no stake, monetary or otherwise, in Roland, I was not PUSHING Roland products, just providing additional information related to the subject originally posted. I have no history of shilling for Roland, so I could care less if you go out and buy a Roland product. I thought the whole idea of a forum was to provide as much information as possible on a given subject. What they choose to do with that information is up to them.

After Lee and Gary's 'challenge' to my information, it was no surprise to see the usual 'piling on'. I'm still hopeful that some of you will actually READ what's posted here, sort through the propaganda, ignore the thinly-veiled barbs, and not be so easily taken in by glib opportunist who seize every chance to promote their product and attack anyone who dares suggest that there might be life outside of planet Yamaha. Personally, I think Yamaha makes a fine product, not so sure about those who shill for it.

chas

Chas,

Just as I thought we had turned a corner on SZ and we have ladies posting, first time I have seen, people I have never heard of before post now and we are back on the same old bandwagon, this thread was OK until now, guns drawn at dawn is not what this is about. Chas I understand you were a pilot like me, hell glad you are retired wouldn’t like a tongue-lashing with air traffic control would you, just to get a landing slot. Chas, my granddaughter saw your photo on the screen just now, I tried to explain why you put it there and I could not think of one good reason, if you tell me I will tell her as long as it is logical.

Tony, tell her I was looking for something demonic, and your picture wasn't available at the time.



chas

Chas,

I already told her it was someone who lost the plot, she is 10 and she agreed thats what see thought too.



Your have control Chas:

QNH 1015 - Wind 230 @ 30 knots, mind the wind shear on finals.

Chas,

I wasn't going to comment on either yours or FransN comments because they are meant to inflame and goad people into a negative discussion regarding brand preference and will only turn into a pissing contest.

This thread was an honest discussion regarding a really cool feature; it had nothing to do with brand loyalty and it had nothing derogatory towards you or FransN or the keyboards you love. Yet, you have successfully turned the spirit of this thread negative.

Other people on this forum have recently been banned because of derogatory and flaming remarks, but it now appears we have others here who have not gotten the message. If you had a valid point regarding other keyboards Vocal Processor capabilities; leave it at that. Why attack the members here who have a different keyboard with differing views?
And your comment to Tony regarding his picture really highlights your negativity. I don't appreciate this kind of behavior and I wish you would stop it.

Al,

Thanks for that I agree with you, this was a bloody good post and we have all learned from it, I am looking forward to seeing the finish product, I have figured out the members out by now, and I know who I won't be inviting around for tea. Not at least to frighten the crap out of everybody.

Cheers Al

thankyou Mr Tony Hughes....Your my kind of Guy... Paula

Paula,
Thank You.
In the UK most of us treat ladies like ladies and I am sure they do in the states, but in the recent past SZ is not a place I would want my wife to wander into, let’s not go mad I am not saying it’s foul, but it could be much better and there have been some …….. words. I loved it when I saw your face and I though wow we are going to get some good chat now and seeing you can keep the lid on it, well let’s hope you are not put off and I for one would like to hear more from you. My wife once open SZ by mistake and I can’t type what she said about it. There is a lot to learn and there are a handful of very experienced and helpful people on SZ.

Very Kind Regards Paula

Tony

Al, sounds like you're another that didn't bother to thoroughly read my posts. Pity. There was lots of good information there for those that may not have known about this keyboard. Of course, if you're pre-disposed to looking for something negative in ANYthing I post, what can I say. As for Tony's picture, TONY was the one who brought up the subject of avatars, a point conveniently overlooked. And anyone except someone looking for something negative would recognize that my response to Tony's remark about my avatar was nothing more than a good-natured, humorous retort. My oh my, you guys do love to rush in to a feeding frenzy. Also, I'm not overly concerned about what you do and don't appreciate. Don't like my posts, don't read them.

chas

There is nothing to find on you-tube,of the same quality of pitch correction,no Roland,Korg,Tc H, etc,etc.
They all sound "robotic"synthy.
The T4 example is realy the first of this quality !
It sound real naturally without distortion.

Impuls

I may be in the minority, but I thought Chas offered an unbiased alternative to the T4 plugin. He didn't say it was better than the T4 as a whole, but rather contained an equal or better vocoder.

In researching the VP770, I was quite surprised eventhough it is not an arranger.
Bernie

I agree that the quality shown in the Yamaha demo is indeed better than that on the VP770. However, it is (probably) not 'pitch correction' as we know it, as even multi-thousand dollar pro studio units won't do pitch correction over that great a range. I suspect it is technology similar to Roland's, except that it sounds better. Of course, at this point, it's only vaporware but would be a nice feature as an inexpensive software update on an existing keyboard. One question would be, how do different voices effect the final 'voice'. Also, is this limited to a single voice or can this also generate harmony parts in the same (or other) voices? Guess those questions won't be answered until this project is picked up by Yamaha, developed, and made available to it's customers. Hope that happens sooner than later. Maybe they'll make it available for my T2. Nah.



chas

You're right Paula, Tony is one of the "good guys" on the forum, and a perfect gentleman...plus he's a real PILOT as well.

I am also very pleased to see another lady posting, and I am sure Rikki and Elizabeth are glad to have you aboard.

Welcome to SZ.

Ian

Hi Tony and Ian;
I've enjoyed this forum for years, I joined back in 2007. I did back off of my activity here because of the bickering and little jabs that were thrown around.... I'm really not that thin skined or sensative about things said, after all it is only the internet !! But after awhile the sniping gets real old and takes away from the pleasant conversation and I actually hesitated from asking questions because I thought some would make a comment that the question was foolish. So Thanks for the warm welcome back and I'm sure we'll help keep this forum as it's founder intended... "Fun and Informative"

Princess

Princess-as a new member I 2nd what you said---

Great Day!!

Jack

Hi Princess, words well said.
I'm really glad to see you back.
Welcome to new member Jack as well.

Scott

Welcome back Princess, and welcome new member Jack