I do agree with you about the more compressed Yamaha drum sound vs the other arranger brand keyboards, but in spite of that, there still has been substantial improvement in the overall Yamaha drum sound, including more detail and clarity.

here are some KORG Drums.....

Yamaha Tyros 4: Jazz Demo featuring "live" drums"

The drums on the T4 are way better than previous models. Being that my dad was a drummer and it was the first instrument I learned and that currently I am playing a couple months with a drummer for some snowbird dances, I really feel the Yamaha drums sound more realistic, especially in the mix, than Korg. It's just that the drum mix is set louder on the Korgs why? Because they are going for the kids that like thump, thump, boom. If you really listen to the Korgs realizing it's the volume setting you will notice, at least to my ears, the Korg does not really sound like like acoustic drums but very fake to my ears if you listen close

Not only do I like the T4 drums, and the styles and the voices I like being able to take it out of the box, find the EQ I like and I'm playing instead of "trying to make it my own." I for one like making music. I have never liked fiddling around with buttons and settings, etc. IMHO

In all fairness, there's some neat sounds, styles and features on the competition, but I prefer realistic sounding acoustic instruments and that's what I'm getting. On Korg, you've got your great organ, electric pianos etc. Their acoustic instruments sound like a synth to me and I feel that Korg's ARE more synth oriented.

So, if you like louder drums and the unbeatable Yamaha voices, then just turn up the drum volume. Issue solved in my book.

If you need more than that, do as Al suggests and get some drum samples for the T4 and blow 'em all away. Just not important to me. Also, remember sounds project differently. Record yourself, and play it back and go out where the audience is. The drums come through better out front, I feel, than on stage.

P.S. I like the sounds I like on my keyboard better than the sounds you like on your keyboard.haha I read this line just lately on another forum and I laughed out loud. Reminded me of SZ.

Wouldn't those little fingers fit much better on some micro keys?


On a serious Note : The most disgusting part is the internal hardware used

in 1999 the PSR 9000 released with 32MB of Wave rom, the Tyros 4 has 96 MB of wave rom. The PSR9000 has 126 note polyhony the Tyros 4 has 128 note polyphony. Processor power of the sound engine hasnt really increased much.

In 1999 i bought a single core 400 MhZ Pentium 3 with 256 MB of memmory which cost just as much as my current system with 2 x 8 cores running at 4Ghz each and 24GB memmory.

Yamaha is still using the same old technollogy as back then.. the sample quallity has only marginally improved.

The hardware costs for T4 are almost non excistant. Most of the software code and sampling is copied directly from their Motif series, my telephone has a better screen and more processor power then teh Tyros4 and yet they dare to charge thousands of dollars for it.

Scott, you must have been reading my mind (pretty scary, ain't it?)...I especially like your statement "I like being able to take it out of the box, find the EQ I like and I'm playing instead of 'trying to make it my own'. I for one like making music. I have never liked fiddling around with buttons and settings, etc."

I feel the very same...I'm a player first, a tweaker second, even though, as you know, I like editing styles and sounds(the T4 gives me plenty to work with on sounds, as mostly I just want to change an attack or filter setting), I'm sitting behind those keys to PLAY and enjoy the instrument, and pass on those feelings to my listeners.

There are some who like to tweak...endlessly sometimes, but we never hear their music, or have any idea what their tweaking actually has accomplished. I guess it's a more personal experience for them.

"Different strokes for different folks", as they say.

Bottom line for me...the Tyros4 is a very expressive arranger, that lets me do what I love most...PLAY music.

Ian

I agree 100%. Main thing is to enjoy what you've got, be willing to check other things out with an open mind, and then “stick to your guns.”

DNJ you do realise the drums on the Korg PA3X Demo dont come with the PA3X ? you have to buy the maple drum samples from an independent and the sell the same drum kit for the tyros !

Thank you for making me aware of that, flexibility & being able to add on /install extra things with any KB is paramount to creating amazing music, vs having to upgrade to a new model every two years or so...

That little dude looks like a YOUNG Michael Vonken (sp??)
Look at his face when he smiles!!!!