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#338594 - 02/03/12 11:32 AM
Re: Requested Feature for Yamaha MusicFinder
[Re: kbrkr]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Al, I read your request to Steve Demming and I guess we look at this in a different light. To me, the Music Finder Directory (MFD) is merely a miniature version of a registration, but conveniently packed into a single, scrollable folder that makes access very quick and easy. Granted, the MFD only has a limited number of features, but it is a very usable feature that many entertainers never seem to utilize. Donny is a good example of this. Registrations, on the other hand, are an extremely powerful tool. You can pretty much do anything with a registration and save those steps in two formats--a complete bank of 8 for a single song, or one song for each of the 8 slots in each bank. Now, there are advantages and disadvantages to both methods. Eddie (Btweengigs) likes to utilize an entire bank for a single song. In doing this he can quickly look up a song in a manner very similar to using the MFD. The songs are automatically listed alphabetically because the entire bank is named by the song title. You merely press the Registration button, then using the Data Scrolling Wheel scroll do the list to the song you wish to select, press the select button and you're ready to go. You can even do this while playing another song and that song will not come into play until you press the select button. The same is true with the MFD, but not many folks are willing to take the time to create their own, custom MFD and create registrations as well. Creating a custom MFD can either be done on the keyboard, or by using Michael Bedesem's Music Finder View program, which is downloadble at no charge. It's very easy to use and tailor made for each keyboard model. If it saved transpose information, DNJ would love it! But, the MFD has never saved this kind of information--that's why they have both the MFD and Registrations. The MFD does save information pertaining to: Intro, Variation, Style, Tempo, Song Title, Genre, beat, allows you to copy to a favorites list and have searchable keywords. Now, if I recall, you want the MFD selection to link to a registration. To me, that makes no sense at all. You would have to create the MFD, then create an associated registration for the exact, same song. It's double the work for the same, end result. I guess from my viewpoint, both the MFD and registrations are both powerful tools, but they are different tools/features on the same keyboard. To overcome some of the limitations, particularly the lack of saving transposition, I merely indicate the key that I play and sing the song in the song's title. For example, "Country (C) Roads" in the MFD tells me that I perform this song in the key of "C". "A Fool Such (F) as I" indicates that I do this song in "F". So, if you're one of those guys that plays everything physically using "C" you know where you must transpose to just by looking at the title. In a registration, that transposition information can be saved and transposed automatically when the registration button for that song is depressed. Hope this helps, Gary
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#338654 - 02/04/12 09:59 AM
Re: Requested Feature for Yamaha MusicFinder
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 2867
Loc: Tampa, FL
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Al, I read your request to Steve Demming and I guess we look at this in a different light. To me, the Music Finder Directory (MFD) is merely a miniature version of a registration, but conveniently packed into a single, scrollable folder that makes access very quick and easy. Granted, the MFD only has a limited number of features, but it is a very usable feature that many entertainers never seem to utilize. Donny is a good example of this. Registrations, on the other hand, are an extremely powerful tool. You can pretty much do anything with a registration and save those steps in two formats--a complete bank of 8 for a single song, or one song for each of the 8 slots in each bank. Now, there are advantages and disadvantages to both methods. Eddie (Btweengigs) likes to utilize an entire bank for a single song. In doing this he can quickly look up a song in a manner very similar to using the MFD. The songs are automatically listed alphabetically because the entire bank is named by the song title. You merely press the Registration button, then using the Data Scrolling Wheel scroll do the list to the song you wish to select, press the select button and you're ready to go. You can even do this while playing another song and that song will not come into play until you press the select button. The same is true with the MFD, but not many folks are willing to take the time to create their own, custom MFD and create registrations as well. Creating a custom MFD can either be done on the keyboard, or by using Michael Bedesem's Music Finder View program, which is downloadble at no charge. It's very easy to use and tailor made for each keyboard model. If it saved transpose information, DNJ would love it! But, the MFD has never saved this kind of information--that's why they have both the MFD and Registrations. The MFD does save information pertaining to: Intro, Variation, Style, Tempo, Song Title, Genre, beat, allows you to copy to a favorites list and have searchable keywords. Now, if I recall, you want the MFD selection to link to a registration. To me, that makes no sense at all. You would have to create the MFD, then create an associated registration for the exact, same song. It's double the work for the same, end result. I guess from my viewpoint, both the MFD and registrations are both powerful tools, but they are different tools/features on the same keyboard. To overcome some of the limitations, particularly the lack of saving transposition, I merely indicate the key that I play and sing the song in the song's title. For example, "Country (C) Roads" in the MFD tells me that I perform this song in the key of "C". "A Fool Such (F) as I" indicates that I do this song in "F". So, if you're one of those guys that plays everything physically using "C" you know where you must transpose to just by looking at the title. In a registration, that transposition information can be saved and transposed automatically when the registration button for that song is depressed. Hope this helps, Gary Gary, I understand and do use the registrations . However, having a programming/technical background, I look at things as Objects that interrelate to each other like the following List. MusicFinderDatabase ------------------- MFD Entry ------+ | Song Object ----+ | +--Registration Object ------------------------| +--Style Object | +--Voice Object | +--Mic Setting Object | +--VH Object | +--Multipad Object Items that relate to Registration Objects: Song Object Name Style Tempo Beat Transpose Artist FileName/Location Style Object Style Name Type (User, INternal, External) Temp Beat Transpose Voice Object Name Effects VH Harmony .. .. ..
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#338662 - 02/04/12 11:04 AM
Re: Requested Feature for Yamaha MusicFinder
[Re: kbrkr]
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Time for a reality check Now guys..don't go off the deep end...just think about what I am about to say...It wouldn't hurt for you to have some on hands experience too.. Yamaha is the poorest of the modern day arrangers when it comes to the features mentioned above....and beyond what is mentioned.. Korg's songbook is praised by most..and even owners like StephenM, that owned the Korg and Roland, has stated he thinks the "Songbook" edges the G70 "user program"....although I disagree Biggest problem with the "songbook"...it is attached to Korg's operating system....In many ways the Korg OS reminds me of the Roland G1000...deep capabilities, but a learning curve that takes time to learn....and also needless routing to get the job done (actually the G1000 was more efficient in this respect).. This brings me to center court... ...The G70 has the absolute best operating system, for getting things done..in a way that makes sense...you NEVER have to go out of the mode you are working to continue the process of editing and saving...It has the best tools for all of the above.. As an example ..when you need to use a sequencer on the Korg to edit a SMF....you have to load in another mode and re-save the edits..before going back to your performing mode...None of this flows at all.. G70 totally dominates here.... This is why I give Roland's "User programs" the edge over the Korg's "songbook"...a BIG edge.. The recall feature on the G70 is also the best...I currently have about 2,000 User programs at my finger tip for immediate selection..the search is also easy..sure you can scroll with the wheel, but you can search via the finder feature...same design for SMF search, and style search.. The G70 also has software built in that allows the conversion of my "old" G1000 user programs..they are extremely accurate too.. I also retain about 2,000 styles ready for selection.....and about 4,000 SMF's..ready to go.. I just hope that down the road, Roland will not screw up the G70 design, and use a Korg type OS in the future ...If so ..then I would have to switch over to Ketron Or just keep the G70...and the best "user program" concept..
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#338707 - 02/04/12 05:25 PM
Re: Requested Feature for Yamaha MusicFinder
[Re: kbrkr]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Al, The way it appears, at least to me, is that you, and DNJ, and maybe a few others, want the Music Finder Directory (MFD) to be expanded to cover all the bases that a registration covers. Now that makes perfectly good sense to me. Doing that would allow Yamaha to eliminate Registrations entirely, which means an entire board of switches could be eliminated and a significant reduction in cost may also come into play--great idea! The big advantage, of course, would be the ability to scroll through a huge list of songs using either the numbered switches at the bottom of the display, or the Data Scrolling Wheel. Hopefully, Steve Demming will read this and put the information to good use. Cheers, Gary
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#338732 - 02/04/12 09:20 PM
Re: Requested Feature for Yamaha MusicFinder
[Re: kbrkr]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Johnathan, You already have that feature on the Tyros MFD--it's called favorites. And, you can customize the Favorites list and MFD using Michael Bedesem's Music Finder View program, or just build the list on the keyboard. Gary
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#338769 - 02/05/12 08:33 AM
Re: Requested Feature for Yamaha MusicFinder
[Re: kbrkr]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Steve beat me to the punch with the answer, however, that's why I place him right up there with DonM at the top of the list of my best students. Cheers, Gary
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