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#342829 - 03/27/12 05:27 PM
Re: Pa3x Pa500 sound comparison
[Re: lahawk]
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi Guys, it's not only the sounds, the style player has a lot to do with it ie the note transposition tables & settings. I look at some of the earlier Yamaha style ie psr2000, psr 1500, the styles were really simple styles, ie I mean the notes used in creating the styles. Pull apart a newer psrs910, or T4 & things have changed. I'm fairly certain Yammie must have added additional note transpostion tables/settings along the way to be able to play the newer more complex styles. (apart from anything to do with megavoices) Some of the earlier guitar tracks the chord voicings were recorded like you'd record piano chords. For Korg. In one of the updates to the PA800 , they added an additional setting called CHORD which creates a smoother transition when changing chords . Guitar mode tracks (to me at least) sound more realistic for strums than midi tracks. I don't know how authentic they are, I'm not a guitarist. So for me, I don't beleive it's just the newer better sounds, it's the capability of the keyboard to play & accurately transpose the notes to play the newer more complex styles.
BTW...Fran, Frans, Rikki, and Bill have it correct. Newer keyboards can play older keyboard files and will sound the same or better.
Older keyboards can (sometimes) play newer keyboard files but will not sound the same, unless the exact same voices were used, which is unlikely. Even then, the newer keyboard sound engine plays a big role in the quality of the sound that the older keyboard cannot match.
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best wishes Rikki 🧸
Korg PA5X 88 note SX900 Band in a Box 2022
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#342834 - 03/27/12 08:05 PM
Re: Pa3x Pa500 sound comparison
[Re: spalding1968]
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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i dont think anyone is saying that the sounds on all the styles and all the individual sounds on the PA500 compared to the PA3x are the same. I thought that was the exact reason for the original topic post. BTW...Fran, Frans, Rikki, and Bill have it correct. Newer keyboards can play older keyboard files and will sound the same or better. Older keyboards can (sometimes) play newer keyboard files but will not sound the same, unless the exact same voices were used, which is unlikely. Even then, the newer keyboard sound engine plays a big role in the quality of the sound that the older keyboard cannot match. Then you misread the original post lahawk. this is what the original post actually said 'Before I sell my Pa500 today I made some comparison tests using same styles (taken from pa500 and loaded on pa3x). I only adjusted higher the volume on the Pa500. Master EQ off on both arrangers' so clearly he was only comparing some of the same styles on the PA500 that are also on the PA3x. The funny thing is even though i hear the backward compatible argument rolled out time after time that should mean that the styles are compatible which they are but clearly the same old sounds are also being used which was evident from the tests regardless as to what you might wish to believe about the benefits of the 'new ' sound engine. Spalding, you are missing the point of my explanation...the test indeed were styles "taken from the PA500"...and when they were loaded to play on the PA3x they sounded the same...because they can...it used the same program changes and other data from the PA500 style... Now if you played the same name style from the PA3x you will see a big difference compared to the PA500 style played....again because it can...The PA500 has zero chance of playing the PA3x style correctly...
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#342837 - 03/27/12 09:17 PM
Re: Pa3x Pa500 sound comparison
[Re: Stephenm52]
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi Stephen, not the newer Yammies unfortunately, & I don't think my one Man Band software has the newer settings. I do fiddle around with the Yammie styles for my conversions to korg in midifile format, so I can tell just how far they've developed in the last few years. My psr1500 ( & earlier ) were relatively easy ( TIME CONSUMING, but simple) to convert, I did a couple of T3's, whole new ball game. As a Yamaha owner, you must have noticed a big improvement in the styles themselves ( not just the voices). If you've got any of the early styles like for a psr1500, or psr2000, try muting the other tracks & just listen to a strumming guitar chord, then listen to a new T4 style .Not a rehash of a style that yammie has included in keyboard after keyboard, a brand newie, & see if there's a difference in the way it now plays a strumming guitar , I somehow doubt it still uses those early, chord voicings.
The style player in my many keyboards over the years has always facinated me. I've had Technics, Yamaha, Roland, Ketron & Korg. Technics KN7 styles system ( transposition tables & settings )was truly amazing. Unfortunately didn't fully sink in till I worked out how some of the other keyboards worked.
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best wishes Rikki 🧸
Korg PA5X 88 note SX900 Band in a Box 2022
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