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#350405 - 09/05/12 01:37 AM
Re: CD-RW Audio or Music Discs
[Re: Audrey Turner]
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Loc: English Riviera, UK
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Hi Audrey
No such thing as music CD-RWs, this is determined by how the data is written to the disc. (As per usual manufactures added extra names to their discs so that they could charge more to those that didn’t understand what was going on)
Old CD Recorders could only burn discs up to a certain speed, and as higher speed discs emerged they became incompatible with earlier drives, (Theoretically if a disc covers the speed of your drive then it should work, but in practice it’s not that easy)
Early CD players also could not read any form of CD-RW.
As CD players don’t cost much these days, you might as well buy another one. (Same with drives in computers)
Hope this helps
Bill
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#350468 - 09/05/12 05:19 PM
Re: CD-RW Audio or Music Discs
[Re: Audrey Turner]
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Senior Member
Registered: 03/19/02
Posts: 1098
Loc: Cambridge, Cambs, England
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Thankyou for that Bill.
I understand exactly what you're saying but unfortunately I have an expensive setup that will burn the latest CD-RW discs but they are geared to 'media' rather than CD players. When I saw the word 'media' I thought it would cover music, photos, and possibly videos but apparently not. Although it burned successfully, it will not play back on my Sony Player/Recorder but it will play on the computer. The young man in Maplins told me I need to get Music or Audio discs and it does say exactly that in the Sony Manual, but where do you get them - even Maplins no longer stock these discs.
However, for whatever reason, it appears shops are no longer selling them. What really gets me is that my recording 'gear' is less than 5 years old and I cannot get discs for it. I have the KN7000 keyboard and a Canon 'Sureshot' very expensive camera, both using SD Cards for storage and these too seem to be in very short supply. I know there are SDHC cards about but neither can be used with the camera or the keyboard. It is so frustrating. Shops are moaning about the lack of customers, well what do they expect when they stop stocking goods that people want. O.K. so most things are available on the internet, but there are still a lot of people who do have (or want) a computer.
I think I'd better stop right here as it wont do my blood pressure any good at all, but thank you again for your explanation Bill, sorry to have 'bent your ear' as they say.
Audrey
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#350657 - 09/08/12 03:46 AM
Re: CD-RW Audio or Music Discs
[Re: Audrey Turner]
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 2330
Loc: North Yorkshire UK
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Hi Audrey, Ever since it was possible to burn CDs containing music from one source or another, I have always just used 'normal' CD-R disks - never the so called 'Audio CD-R' type or CD-RW. Do you have a particular reason for using CD-RW disks? I've come across some CD players which don't like the Re-Writeable Disks.....
CD-RW disks are often not readable by some older CD players. The reflectivity of CD-RW disks, is far below that of CD and CD-R, so the laser which 'reads' the CD-RW, often does not receive a good signal and an Automatic Gain Control Circuit is needed to compensate. This circuit is generally not included in many older players, since they were manufactured to play only Commercially available CDs. Recordable CDs i.e CD-R/CD-RW only became available about 5 years later......
In theory the CD-R’s made for data will not work in some stand-alone CD recorders that are designed to hook up to your stereo system or those that come with certain boom boxes. This is because music CD-Rs contain a Data Code that some stand alone CD players look for. The data CD-R does not have this code.
However, I have yet to encounter a CD player which will not play any of my recordings made on 'bog-standard' CD-Rs.....
As far as I am aware, apart from the 'Data Code', there is no real difference between the 'Audio' CD-R and the standard CD-R. The extra cost for the CD-Rs marketed for music rather than data, comes from the royalty fees paid to the music industry. This is the same fee that is applied to blank cassette tapes. This fee does not apply to CD-Rs marketed as data discs.
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#350701 - 09/08/12 04:40 PM
Re: CD-RW Audio or Music Discs
[Re: Audrey Turner]
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Senior Member
Registered: 03/19/02
Posts: 1098
Loc: Cambridge, Cambs, England
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I looked at the techtarget.com site and although it goes more into the technology it says much the same as my Sony Manual does to quote:- "When you buy a CD-R or CD-RW please note you must buy an AUDIO CD-R. A CD-R DESIGNED FOR COMPUTER USE WILL NOT WORK IN THIS UNIT." Two types of logo are shown one AUDIO CD-R(compact disc digital audio) and the other AUDIO CD-RW(compact disc digital audio reWritable) It then explains how to use them, where, and why some are not compatible with CD players.
To answer your question Bill - at our Club we like to produce our own CDs. These are recorded to a CD-RW first, simply because a few days later when played back, what we thought was our great 'masterpiece' sounds absolute rubbish so using a rewritable allows us to delete and re-do single tracks wherever it is on the CD-RW. When we are happy with our efforts, we finalize and copy to a CD-R (one for each member) which can then be played on any CD Player.
This is what our club is about, learning, playing and having fun - a sort of workshop if you like.
You might like to know, I called in Staples today and they have plenty of both types selling under their own label. They also clearly state music BUT, I have to say I've seen that before on a label which turned out to be for computer music tracks only, so are completely useless to those people who do not use a computer.
Anyway, thanks everyone to your comments and suggestions, they are much appreciated.
Audrey
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