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#357901 - 12/29/12 09:46 AM Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70?
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I still don't get the reasoning for this question by Roland...
The Mighty TOTL G70 hailed by so many players all of a sudden their Pro TOTL arranger series comes to a dramatic end?...
Was it sales, weight size, lack of interest, old technology, competition, a new direction, no 61 key model,...or? confused1

what do you think..?

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#357904 - 12/29/12 09:57 AM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: Dnj]
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Poor sales is the obvious answer to me. Think about it, out of all the music acts you see working, how many use an arranger. Its either a live band, sing to MP3's with a computer, or, God Forbid, a Kareoke DJ !!!!
And for the home hobbiest it would be the price. The BK5 is more than enough for most home players. If they're more serious into home recording a workstation and computer would be a better fit.

Just my $.02
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#357906 - 12/29/12 10:22 AM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Originally Posted By: Bill Lewis
Poor sales is the obvious answer to me. Think about it, out of all the music acts you see working, how many use an arranger. Its either a live band, sing to MP3's with a computer, or, God Forbid, a Kareoke DJ !!!!
And for the home hobbiest it would be the price. The BK5 is more than enough for most home players. If they're more serious into home recording a workstation and computer would be a better fit.

Just my $.02


Bill all valid points....but, why is it that Yamaha, Korg, etc, are doing a thriving Arranger KB business worldwide...unless Roland's other musical divisions can carry them along without offering any TOTL arrangers KB's anymore, Sales have to be a factor,......I see more Fanthom Kbs in many stage acts vs any arrangers at all for bands......

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#357909 - 12/29/12 10:39 AM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: Dnj]
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Roland had dropped to a poor 3rd in the arranger market and while they tried to bolster themselves with the E80 (61 notes + on-board speakers) it never really took off, however R & D continued on a new G90 but the way the economic climate changed meant it was not viable (At least at the moment) to introduce a new TOTL Arranger.

Fortunately all the R & D did not go to waste as most of it was incorporated in BK7m module. When the economic climate improves Roland may once again produce a TOTL arranger, but don’t bank on it as there other products are selling like hot cakes. (Or doughnuts if you’re in the US)

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#357912 - 12/29/12 10:52 AM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: abacus]
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#357913 - 12/29/12 10:54 AM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: abacus]
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I would ask the same question about 'TECHNICS' after the kn7000 ?!? confused1 ... the kn series was always cutting edge - with the exception of the VH - ... very easy OS, great editing ability, internal hard drive, etc,. etc, etc., ... frown
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#357914 - 12/29/12 10:57 AM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: Dnj]
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I suspect unsound marketing (instruments sold in the wrong type stores) played a big part in poor sales in many areas, although they were sold alongside other arrangers here in Eastern Canada and still didn't sell very well.

I recall only three or four G-70's (and only a few E-60's) being sold in my territory, which was the four Atlantic Provinces, according to the sales people I spoke with back then...compared to many, many more Tyros and even CVP Clavinova products.

The only ones who know the real reasons behind the discontinuation of high end arrangers would be Roland's top brass.

I fear they may not make a TOTL arranger for some time (if ever), but maybe Roland will come up with a mid-range instrument that will take advantage of the newer (SuperNatural) technology found in their synthesizers (Jupiter 80/50).

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#357915 - 12/29/12 11:01 AM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: tony mads usa]
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#357917 - 12/29/12 11:42 AM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj


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#357925 - 12/29/12 12:09 PM Re: Why did Roland Stop TOTL Arrangers after the G70? [Re: Dnj]
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