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#360888 - 02/09/13 01:41 PM Re: PA600 Question [Re: tony mads usa]
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Having the variations built into a single style is by far the fastest way. It keeps the trigger where you're used to it also.
This pattern is so versatile for cocktail music - you'll use it a ton!
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#360942 - 02/10/13 08:04 AM Re: PA600 Question [Re: tony mads usa]
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Looks like it's a hair faster on the gig (although changing Performances mid-tune should be a piece of cake), but looking at Donny's description, looks like a HELL of a lot of work to make just the one style work.

One of the cool things using a multi-switch pedal allows you is a 'Next Performance, Previous Performance' pair of switches. Hands free, you can go between a couple of Performances (or more, if needed) for a much more complex set of Variations and styles to perform just one song...

I don't know if you get any patch change 'glitches' on other arrangers, but my G70 does this seamlessly, and it's impossible to tell that the performance got changed. It's a great way to have subtle changes in rhythms (take a style and strip the drums down to the bone or import a different guitar part for one section) or larger style differences (like here) and also, if you copy the style and then edit the OTS, you can have a much larger selection of keyboard sounds ready to go.

But the work to import ONE Variation into another style (and you have to lose the replaced Variation, reducing your choices while in the swing section, for instance) seems a heck of a lot more than setting up a pair of Performances...
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#361173 - 02/12/13 09:48 AM Re: PA600 Question [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Looks like it's a hair faster on the gig (although changing Performances mid-tune should be a piece of cake), but looking at Donny's description, looks like a HELL of a lot of work to make just the one style work.



WOW ... Once I got past all the 'verbiage' in the instructions it was a piece of cake!!! bounce ... took about two minutes - there is a LOT in the instructions about changing different elements of the styles, ... right now I just want to use the factory elements of two different styles ... and, most likely I will use this new style just for one particular song ... but I am now on my way to create new, but similar styles for songs like "All The Things You Are", where I also like to switch from Latin (bossa) to swing ...
I am a happy KORG camper !!! keys

NOW, if someone could tell me where to find - or how to create - a good Jazz style where a variation would go into 'double time' I would be thrilled ...
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#361183 - 02/12/13 10:19 AM Re: PA600 Question [Re: tony mads usa]
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I guess, if you find two styles that have the requisite grooves, this will work for you. The hard part comes if you find two, but one is half the tempo of the other.

If you can have a separate tempo for each Variation, I suppose you are good to go. If not, you may have to use a decent sequencer, and re-tempo the half-time variation. (that 'Tempo-Lock' trick I talk about in the 'Endings as mid-song pauses' thread explains how to do it) to make it the same timebase as the double time stuff would be cool...
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#361201 - 02/12/13 11:46 AM Re: PA600 Question [Re: tony mads usa]
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I THINK there's a Jazz style on PA3x that goes into double time on var 4. I'll have to fire it up and see. I know I have one on some keyboard that does it. smile
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#361293 - 02/13/13 05:12 PM Re: PA600 Question [Re: DonM]
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Originally Posted By: DonM
I THINK there's a Jazz style on PA3x that goes into double time on var 4. I'll have to fire it up and see. I know I have one on some keyboard that does it. smile
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Don ... any luck with this ...
thnx
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#361297 - 02/13/13 05:49 PM Re: PA600 Question [Re: tony mads usa]
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Either I got Donny's instructions wrong, or I missed it, but rather than copying each element at a time, is it possibly to go 'delete Var3 from this style, and get Var3 from that style'?

Seems nice and simple.
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#361298 - 02/13/13 05:53 PM Re: PA600 Question [Re: tony mads usa]
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I don't know of any, but the Modern Swing is a double time pattern - hit the tempo lock button and you can switch between patterns that way?
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#361301 - 02/13/13 06:16 PM Re: PA600 Question [Re: tony mads usa]
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I couldn't find it. Sorry, must have been another keyboard.
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#361302 - 02/13/13 06:16 PM Re: PA600 Question [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Either I got Donny's instructions wrong, or I missed it, but rather than copying each element at a time, is it possibly to go 'delete Var3 from this style, and get Var3 from that style'?

Seems nice and simple.



Yes ... absolutely ...you don't even have to 'delete' the first one, just 'copy' over it ... and you can choose which styles you want to use for the intro, break, or ending ...
I do a Ben E King/Drifters medley of four songs ... today I created a style using 4 different 'Latin' styles, each in its own 'variation' ...
Now you are correct Diki, when you say that I lose some of the 'flexibility' of 4 variations for each style, but for a situation like this where I am just going through each song once, it really doesn't matter all that much ..

Before making any changes to a style I 'Copy and Paste' the style into my favorites and rename it, and use these styles to create a new 'combined' style ... this way I am not making changes to the original factory style ... If I want to, I can then 'line up' the four styles in my favs in the sequence I play them and just press the next style the measure before I want it to change ...
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