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#370040 - 08/06/13 06:18 PM
S950 discoveries...
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Well, after nearly a week of intense work, I'm getting a lot closer to taking this wonderful machine on the road. I still have some EQ tweaking to do, and work some more on the vocal processor, but thus far, the updates have been a lot easier than I anticipated. First and foremost, Yamaha has always made their arranger keyboards in such a manner so that all the older styles from both the PSR and Tyros series will play in their newer, MOTL keyboards. The S950, however, seems to take this a step farther in that the old styles sound a lot better in the 950 than they did in the 2000, 3000 and Tyros 1 and 2 keyboards. They're clean, crisp, clear and I heard things within the old styles that I never knew was in them. Believe me, that's a big bonus, especially for some of the song specific styles. The only downside is that now I'll have to go back and listen to a bunch of the older styles again, looking for newer sounds that may really spice up some of the songs I perform regularly. The Music Finder Directory was directly transferable, which was a real plus for someone that relies heavily on the MFD every day. What was really neat, though, was that when I transferred the third party styles from the 3000's directory, put them on the USB, then put the drive into the 950 it found those styles and entered them into the MFD without me having to intervene - NEAT! The only editing I had to do at that point was to reselect the intro and variation - everything else was automatic. LOVE IT! Still with the MFD, on previous models when an MFD entry was selected the OTS (one touch setting) link was automatically activated. There is still somewhat of a problem with this, but there is a bit of a workaround so to speak. After selecting the song on the MFD, turn off the OTS link, then select another right hand voice(s) and when you fire up the song, the OTS link does not turn back on. Hopefully, Yamaha will come up with a software update that will solve this problem for this and all other models - it shouldn't be all that difficult from a programming standpoint. All of my PSR-3000 registrations directly transferred, which was fantastic and saved me a ton of work. With the exception of about 90 songs that utilized third party styles each and every song sounded fantastic, even those that the keyboard selected new styles for. Then, I transferred the third-party styles to the USB drive, and wallah! The S950 found each and every one of them, placed them in the correct registrations and everything was done automatically. WOW! So, everything considered, I feel it will only be another week or so before this baby goes on the road. At that point I'm confident that I'll get some audience feedback, and believe me, my audiences have been with me for a long time, and none of those folks are the least bit bashful. They'll tell me if something doesn't sound good to them - no bones about it! My other critic, the one whom I rely heavily upon for feedback, is sitting upstairs in the kitchen right now. She'll be coming down to the office/studio to give me a haircut in a little while. I'll do a dozen songs for her, and she'll tell me what I sound like. And, believe me, after more than a half-century of living with this woman I can assure you that she will be very, very critical - one way or another, and you can take that to the bank. Cheers, Gary ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool.gif)
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#370061 - 08/07/13 08:43 AM
Re: S950 discoveries...
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Donny, with the exception of the third party style files, the MFD and the Registrations all picked up onboard styles from the PSR-S950, therefore, none of the more than 1,200 songs programmed currently use PSR-3000 styles. I didn't transfer any of the 3000 styles to the S-950. I was up till 1 a.m. this morning just going through the registrations, which all sound very, very good thus far. Like I said, still a few things to do, though, before going on the road with this one. Dave, I have a good backup - I still have a pair of PSR-3000s, but one will probably soon be up for sale if you're interested. ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/wink.gif) And, yes, my wife has a lot of twin sisters out there - I'm thoroughly convinced of that! ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/wink.gif) Cheers, Gary ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool.gif)
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#370062 - 08/07/13 09:02 AM
Re: S950 discoveries...
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Donny, with the exception of the third party style files, the MFD and the Registrations all picked up onboard styles from the PSR-S950, therefore, none of the more than 1,200 songs programmed currently use PSR-3000 styles. I didn't transfer any of the 3000 styles to the S-950. I was up till 1 a.m. this morning just going through the registrations, which all sound very, very good thus far. Like I said, still a few things to do, though, before going on the road with this one. Dave, I have a good backup - I still have a pair of PSR-3000s, but one will probably soon be up for sale if you're interested. ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/wink.gif) And, yes, my wife has a lot of twin sisters out there - I'm thoroughly convinced of that! ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/wink.gif) Cheers, Gary Gary yes the NEW same styles will utilize the mega voices and more....you will certainly hear the differences ![headphone headphone](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/headphone.gif) ... enjoy.
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#370125 - 08/08/13 05:05 PM
Re: S950 discoveries...
[Re: travlin'easy]
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J. Larry, no problem reading the white print above the buttons on a black background, but keep in mind that my console lights the entire top of the keyboard with a soft, white light so that's not a problem. For me, the vocal voices in the T4 are more gimmicky than useful during live performances, but I guess if they're used sparingly they could provide some pizazz to a few songs during a performance. I just began working with the mic/vocal harmony section of the S-950, and I sincerely believe with some tuning, those harmonies could be pretty darned good sounding. I'm not convinced they will be as good as the TC Helicon Harmony-M, but if properly used, they could end up being a close second. Someone posted something about the lack of a brightness and contrast control for the display - there is none on the S-950, but this particular type of display really doesn't require one. However, if you are sitting lower than normal in a chair and playing, they you may have some difficulty seeing the tabs on secondary screens. Other than that, the display is quite brilliant, far better than anything Yamaha has utilized in the past. One of the things I've noticed is they have a VU-meter on the left side of the main screen display for the mic, something that I really like. You know immediately if you are over-driving, or under-driving your vocals, which is really important when trying to achieve a good balance between the vocals and accompaniment. I just tried out the onboard audio recorder a few minutes ago and recorded a song that is really popular down in Don Mason's and Paul's part of the world - Amarillo In The Morning. I only spent a brief period of time with the mic/vocal harmony page, and this is just a one-shot recording, no different as if I were on stage. No backing tracks, no special effects other than some reverb on the mic settings - that's it. Gary Amarillo In The Morning
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#370154 - 08/09/13 08:00 AM
Re: S950 discoveries...
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When I lived in Palestine, Texas, which was when I first got married, the locals pronounced it Amarilla. I guess it kinda stuck with me. I'm going to redo the recording and use a lot less reverb. I'll do it later today and post it. Thanks guys, Gary ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool.gif)
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#370172 - 08/09/13 01:13 PM
Re: S950 discoveries...
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The tendency to use too much reverb is a bit like the tendency to have our RH Parts a bit too loud... It comes from trying to make our performance sound great WHILE WE ARE PLAYING.
Thing is, while you are singing, you not only hear the arranger and your voice with the effects coming out of the speakers (or headphones, if you are using those - you should, so you can turn off the speakers and avoid bleed into the vocal mike if recording at home), but you are ALSO hearing your own 'head voice', that is, the acoustic sound of your voice and what the ears pick up from vibrations going through your head from throat to ears internally...
Now, this 'head voice' gets added into what you are hearing, but of course, it has no effects on it. So this tends to make what YOU hear a bit drier than what is coming out of the speakers (or cans). So, to get a perfect effect level on the recording, you should always set your reverb a bit drier than you actually want to hear..! Then on playback (with the head voice no longer present in your ears) it should be much closer to what you want.
Experiment a bit with it... remember, reverb is really a 'distance' parameter. You want your voice front and center (where singers like to be!), so you don't want to push it to the back with too much reverb!
Try to bed the vocal reverb in with the track... if the style is pretty wet, you can get away with a fair amount on the vocal. But if the style on the whole is not very 'reverb-y', keep your vocal in the same ballpark, and it will all gel together nicely.
Hope this helps.
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#370194 - 08/09/13 08:38 PM
Re: S950 discoveries...
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Cass, I'm still in the tweaking and tuning process as well. I have a job tomorrow, but the 3000 will be going with me. The following week is relatively light, just three jobs, and the way the weather has been lately, on my days off it will be raining, so I won't be able to sail and spend lots of time on the 950. Tonight, I worked on the vocal processor for three hours. I'm still not happy with the results, especially when using the Crown CM-311A. The distortion was really noticeable, so I switched mics to my Sennheiser E-855, which seems to be quite a bit cleaner. It probably has something to do with the mic input impedance, and if this is the case, I'll try hooking up my TC Helicon Harmony-M and fire it into the line-in of the keyboard and see if that improves things. Here's a song I recorded using the onboard recorder and the Sennheiser E-855. By The Time I Get To Phoenix Cheers, Gary ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool.gif)
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#370240 - 08/10/13 12:08 PM
Re: S950 discoveries...
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I have 4 hours worth of pre-recorded backing tracks and many feature harmony that I recorded in real time with a harmonizer, and this allows me to use different approaches to playing these crowd-pleaser songs. I can use guitar, sax, flute, stand out front, play 2 handed piano ... whatever the spirit moves me to do ... Still, I need the option of adding my trademark "Four Freshman-esq" sound on the fly to add some flavor to my shows. I do not think my use of harmony is gimmickry at all, in fact I think it defines my sound, and as much as I am confident in my vocals, I still love the package of me ... with me, me, me and me accompanying ... ME! ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif)
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