Hello folks I just popped back to the forum for some quick advice. Some of you may know that I have the KorgPA1x and I have loved that instrument from the beginning until now. The reason why I love the instrument is because of its built-in speakers it's comprehensive sequencer and sound editing facility. I have not used the sampler to any great degree However I know that Yamaha have in my view a more realistic sound particularly for real world instruments.

I have come across a deal for a used T4 for below 2000 English pounds. Including speaker system. I am very tempted however one of the key things for me is being able to compose and create on-board the instrument using it sequencer and sound editing facilities. This is more important to me even more so than the inbuilt speakers.

Has anyone had any experience of creating composing and writing music on board the tyros without external computers or software? The last Yamaha I owned was the PSR 8000 and I was able to create on it but it was like working with one hand tied behind your back. I am very adverse to using any form of external computer gear to work with as it's just so unintuitive to me and I do not have the space of time to setup and breakdown as I have limited space . The way that I work often means that I am creating at the drop of a hat at rehearsal or in my brothers bedroom /studio . I am already convinced that the T4 in terms of its sounds will be in a huge step up from my ancient beautiful existing keyboard. But the beauty of my old board was the workflow. I need someone who has experience doing what I do , creating detailed sequences and styles onboard the instrument you play . In this case being a T4 . For example, cutting and pasting and quantising one specific tracks to specific tracks within specific measures. The manual looks very sparse indeed and if the editing on board is as limited as the manual might indicate then the sequence has not improved at all since the days of the PSR 8000. Is that correct ?

Get a PA3x for what your describing.........much better editing capabilities, plus your familiar with the KORG OS.

I would stick to the Korg operating system too. As you say, Yamaha's samples of natural instruments are so often regarded as more realistic than Korg, but I made the opposite experience comparing many Korg M3XP sounds to Yamaha Motif XS sounds. There was a giant leap from M3 to M3XP, and especially the brass&woodwinds expansion had breathtakingly realistic samples I didn't have in the Motif XS presets (or MoX, exactly same 355MB waveROM). So, if the PA 3X allows to have expansions of the quality of M3XP, I don't think you need a Tyros for the sounds.

I have a Pax3 76 if your after one? haha

I don't need all the editing feature's...Thats why for me now I wish I just brought a Tyros. Plug in and play....

Hi Worth,

I have to agree with the above...stick with the Korg...better sequencer editing facilities.

I'm like MattyB above...I like to just turn on and play, and my basic recording needs are well met by the Tyros4.

Ian

Ok thanks for the advice guys . I will wait a little bit longer and see if korg bring a new pa product in the new year or see if prices have dropped on a pa3x. Just out of interest has anyone actually owned the Pa 3x and tyros 4 and been able to compare the sounds in a real live environment? Certainly the P a 900 and PSR S9 50 youtube comparison I have listened to , the sounds were comparable in my ears . Is the PA 3X sonically a step up from the P a 900 or do they sound identical? Perhaps it might be better for me to consider a PA 900 as opposed to the PA 3X ?

Absolutely stick with the Korg - I have had three Tyros models and sound editing is just terrible and handicapped.

I now have the Pa900 and it is every thing the Tyros should have been - now I am thinking the Pa3X would be even better, but is the Pa4X just around the corner - oh hell - what to do?

Bill G

As said above. Korg is for professionals. Tyros is for enthusiasts. Sigh.

I'd stick with the Korg, spalding, for the familiaity with the OS and the editing depth. Korg's TOTL release cycle seems to be four years, if their past releases are anything to go by.
Pa1x - 2003
Pa2x - 2007
Pa3x - 2011
Pa4x - 2015 (logically, anyway)

And I'd assume the price would still be well below a T5.