The Tyros4's Brass/Trumpet patch in Fanfare For The Common Man was pretty much identical to what Keith Emerson used on his Yamaha GX-1 synthesizer, which was $60,000 in 1973 (well over $300,000 in today's dollars), and just the voice cards alone weighed more than a Polymoog (82 lbs)...total weight was over 300 kg (661 ibs) without the pedal board.
Nice to see it packed in a relatively svelte 32 lb instrument.
Good demos, Bill...thanks.
Ian
Ian, Keith Emerson came to mind as soon as I heard that patch too.
You can also right click the videos to get the direct link.
Enjoy
Bill
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In another thread Ian (who has worked for Yamaha) outlined very precisely the Tyros potential buyers: people in their 60's or over, who have a rather comfortable income and who, in their younger years, had an interest in music but had to sacrifice it to the 9-17 routine, in order to make a living, rise a family, etc. Well, now they have finally risen their families, don't have to work anymore, are relatively free from the everyday worries, and can go back to their first love, neglected for so much time: music. Of course in all the years spent working they were unable to keep up their chops, but here is the trick: Yamaha gives them a plug and play instrument, that sounds great right out of the box. Just select one of the intros and one of the OTS and you will sound like a CD and all your friends and relatives will listen with an open mouth, even if you play in one finger mode. Who needs multipads that can loop, a voice creator or deep editing facilities? All they want is to sound like the musical heroes of their youth, and Yamaha here delivers big time! Ever wondered why even in the newest Tyros 5 demos there are so many voices and styles that emulate the sounds of groups like the Shadows? And why so many people use an arranger to play songs like Apache, that were originaly written for an electric guitar? Because they grew up listening to Hank Marvin, and now can finally sound like him, that's why. If you want to understand the psychology of the Yamaha people you have to go to sites like the PSR Tutorial Forum and see what kind of reasons they come up with to justify the upgrade to the Tyros 5. One of the most common is, more or less: you can't take your money with you when you are dead, so, as long as we are here, let's enjoy life and get us a new toy, if we can afford it. After all, we deserve it, don't we? Kudos to Yamaha for having targeted precisely this kind of audience and potential buyers.
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In another thread Ian (who has worked for Yamaha) outlined very precisely the Tyros potential buyers: people in their 60's or over, who have a rather comfortable income and who, in their younger years, had an interest in music but had to sacrifice it to the 9-17 routine, in order to make a living, rise a family, etc. Well, now they have finally risen their families, don't have to work anymore, are relatively free from the everyday worries, and can go back to their first love, neglected for so much time: music. Of course in all the years spent working they were unable to keep up their chops, but here is the trick: Yamaha gives them a plug and play instrument, that sounds great right out of the box. Just select one of the intros and one of the OTS and you will sound like a CD and all your friends and relatives will listen with an open mouth, even if you play in one finger mode. Who needs multipads that can loop, a voice creator or deep editing facilities? All they want is to sound like the musical heroes of their youth, and Yamaha here delivers big time! Ever wondered why even in the newest Tyros 5 demos there are so many voices and styles that emulate the sounds of groups like the Shadows? And why so many people use an arranger to play songs like Apache, that were originaly written for an electric guitar? Because they grew up listening to Hank Marvin, and now can finally sound like him, that's why. If you want to understand the psychology of the Yamaha people you have to go to sites like the PSR Tutorial Forum and see what kind of reasons they come up with to justify the upgrade to the Tyros 5. One of the most common is, more or less: you can't take your money with you when you are dead, so, as long as we are here, let's enjoy life and get us a new toy, if we can afford it. After all, we deserve it, don't we? Kudos to Yamaha for having targeted precisely this kind of audience and potential buyers.
100% CORRECT. However, if I'd said that, I'd be promptly accused of "looking down" on arranger players........I don't, I just accept them for who they are, the population you have described above. Except for a handful of OMB's that label themselves as 'Pro's' (getting paid to entertain 'old folks' might make you a 'pro' but not necessarily 'pro quality', especially in the eyes of the REAL 'Pro' community of well-trained, talented, musicians). From what I've heard during my 10+ years here, there are maybe 3-4 pro-level musicians here, the rest (working 'pro's) are able to make a living mostly through sheer force of personality, modest vocal skills, and very good business sense. Kudos to them, I say. Especially if they're having fun doing it. You don't need a $5000 KB to do this, however, and despite the justifications they put forth for buying a TYROS5, the REAL reason is probably just because THEY WANT ONE. 'nuff said'.
chas
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Originally Posted By: Stephenm52
Originally Posted By: ianmcnll
The Tyros4's Brass/Trumpet patch in Fanfare For The Common Man was pretty much identical to what Keith Emerson used on his Yamaha GX-1 synthesizer, which was $60,000 in 1973 (well over $300,000 in today's dollars), and just the voice cards alone weighed more than a Polymoog (82 lbs)...total weight was over 300 kg (661 ibs) without the pedal board.
Nice to see it packed in a relatively svelte 32 lb instrument.
Good demos, Bill...thanks.
Ian
Ian, Keith Emerson came to mind as soon as I heard that patch too.
A great tune, Steve, here are ELP "warming up" in Montreal with Keith on that awesome GX-1. Strangely appropriate, Yamaha's Tyros5 arranger has carried on the legacy of this great early "arranger" (it had autoaccompniment & drum machine), although Keith probably only used those features at home.
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Guys, when they take the "single finger, easy play auto-accompaniment" out of Tyros, PA3X-Pro76, Roland G-70, BK7-m, and Audya, PSR, and all the other arrangers, we can finally consider them "pro" arrangers, or more appropriately, arrangers designed solely for the advanced player.
But thankfully, most of us pros aren't that insecure to let a detail like that get in the way of us using these instruments to make money, do compositions, or just sit down and play for our own enjoyment(I've been liking that last one a lot lately).
Mmmmmm? Chas, has/had a Tyros2...why did he buy it? The REAL reason is probably just because HE WANTED ONE, single finger chords be damned...he knew the risks involved.
All these very clever arranger making companies laugh all the way to the bank.
whats wrong with single finger play? who cares how you play it?.....its what it sounds like that I care about. For me "PRO" = getting paid to play nothing more..