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#377326 - 12/06/13 07:38 PM
Re: The voice of Tyros
[Re: Bachus]
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Based on the fact that in the US of A any so called serious musician would never get even close to an arranger...
While i. Europe its fuly acceptable.... Just to point out how different the arranger market on the other side of the big blue pool is.
Well I guess it depends upon who REALLY is a serious musician. I mean, what is the actual definition of a "serious Musician"? In the Mid-Atlantic Region of the U.S. and on the West Coast, there are lot of top, academically trained musicians using arranger keyboards nearly every day of the week and making a good living with them. And, from what I hear from many of my friends on your side of the pond, there are a lot more OMB jobs available here in the U.S. than in most of Europe. Granted, I've opted to play the nursing home/retirement community circuit, but there are still lots of club jobs in this part of the world, too. I just prefer the higher pay scale and better working hours that I enjoy in the NH circuit. I still get calls from club owners to go to work for them, but I turn them down for the above reasons. When I was in the Florida Keys, there were loads of fantastic guitar players trying to scratch out a couple bucks a night from the bars and restaurants. Most could really play their butt off, some could sing reasonably well, and I think they were in the "serious musician" category. But, they were not good entertainers, and didn't have the variety available at their fingertips that an arranger keyboard player enjoys. Those serious guitar players were lucky if they found one job a week, and they were paid less than $100 a night. Cheers from a not so serious musician,  Gary 
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#377334 - 12/06/13 11:05 PM
Re: The voice of Tyros
[Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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The thing is, it's pretty rare to find a keyboard player in a full live band using an arranger. At least in the USA.
I've had a couple of live band guys go buy a used G70 after hearing me play one in full bands, but on the whole, few full band guys use them. They tend to go for the Motif or Krome type things, or do the Nord Stage keyboard thing, but it's not too often you see a guy playing with an arranger but NOT using any auto stuff.
But I'm completely sold. Unless you are in a fully rehearsed band, and can afford the time to create splits and layers etc. at rehearsal or before, the WS's and stage keyboards SUCK at putting a split and layered patch together on the spot. But arrangers are designed to be able to do all that on the fly.
Despite having Kurzweil and Korg workstations (and a bunch of other things), if I get the call to go out with a full band, I grab my G70. A better live band keyboard has yet to be invented.
And, I'd like to think that I'm as serious as they come..!
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#377339 - 12/07/13 01:08 AM
Re: The voice of Tyros
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 03/02/06
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Based on the fact that in the US of A any so called serious musician would never get even close to an arranger...
While i. Europe its fuly acceptable.... Just to point out how different the arranger market on the other side of the big blue pool is.
Well I guess it depends upon who REALLY is a serious musician. I mean, what is the actual definition of a "serious Musician"? In the Mid-Atlantic Region of the U.S. and on the West Coast, there are lot of top, academically trained musicians using arranger keyboards nearly every day of the week and making a good living with them. And, from what I hear from many of my friends on your side of the pond, there are a lot more OMB jobs available here in the U.S. than in most of Europe. Granted, I've opted to play the nursing home/retirement community circuit, but there are still lots of club jobs in this part of the world, too. I just prefer the higher pay scale and better working hours that I enjoy in the NH circuit. I still get calls from club owners to go to work for them, but I turn them down for the above reasons. When I was in the Florida Keys, there were loads of fantastic guitar players trying to scratch out a couple bucks a night from the bars and restaurants. Most could really play their butt off, some could sing reasonably well, and I think they were in the "serious musician" category. But, they were not good entertainers, and didn't have the variety available at their fingertips that an arranger keyboard player enjoys. Those serious guitar players were lucky if they found one job a week, and they were paid less than $100 a night. Cheers from a not so serious musician, Gary The serious musician was offcourse a cynical remark.. pointing out to the general concensus about arrangers My personal opinion is, If you dont need to tweak your sounds real time, any of the totl arrangers will work just as good as a top of the line workstation.. If you have to play a lot of Brass, woodwind and strings (i.e. real instrument emulations).. A tyros 5 might actually do better then most of the workstations. If you mostly play Piano, a Nord might do best, and if its mostly synth sounds then teh Kronos comes out best.. Offcourse in general all these keyboards will get the job done in a 5 man or in this case i beleive a 7 man band. ------------------- And you might be right about a lot of OMB work being available in the US, saw a lot of live music all over the place the few times i visited it, while overhere in europe it was mostly weddings and such, but these days there is a strong competition with Deejays in the wedding scene.. Also, when i am informed correctly, most jobs pay better in teh US, most OMBīs here in europe (or 2 mans key/drums) are still more hobby and 2nd job, i dont think there are are many OMBīs here that have a full time job from it. Tough a cousin of the wife had a steady job with his OMB as he played 5 evenings a week at the same hotel for years.. But it payed just as good as any other job in paid employement.
Edited by Bachus (12/07/13 01:16 AM)
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