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#383181 - 01/31/14 07:19 AM Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith.
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#383183 - 01/31/14 07:27 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Why couldn't we have this back in the day of draging around a B3/ Leslie/Bench/Pedals ? 450 lbs to 16

I haven't gone into the organ section too much but I'm excited about the possibilities there. Next in order would be hooking up my PK5 Bass Pedals.

Whoever it is, that guy can play !

Thanks Donny, I never heard this demo.


Edited by Bill Lewis (01/31/14 07:29 AM)
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#383185 - 01/31/14 07:42 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Sorry, but without the dynamics provided by the use of an expression pedal, it just lacks excitement (IMO). Unless it's Rock Organ where everything is balls-to-the-wall, playing jazz organ without using an expression pedal just doesn't cut it for me.

chas

PS: Of course this doesn't mean one couldn't be used with the BK9, assuming it could be set up to only effect the right hand lead (of course then you'd lose the dynamics on the bass line).


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#383186 - 01/31/14 07:48 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Originally Posted By: Bill Lewis
Why couldn't we have this back in the day of draging around a B3/ Leslie/Bench/Pedals ? 450 lbs to 16

I haven't gone into the organ section too much but I'm excited about the possibilities there. Next in order would be hooking up my PK5 Bass Pedals.

Whoever it is, that guy can play !

Thanks Donny, I never heard this demo.


Your welcome Bill.... I enjoyed this demo myself...

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#383188 - 01/31/14 09:01 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Nicely played, although I do agree with Chas on the lack of a volume pedal. This tune could have been much more dynamic. Even adding, or having, touch sensitivity on organ sounds (not natural, by the way) will not get you there.

I'm almost certain the BK-9 (the organ sound and style are great, by the way) can have the volume pedal assigned to affect only right hand sounds.

I am continually surprised at how few arranger players use a volume pedal. Although not needed much on non-sustaining, short decay, velocity controlled sounds like piano and electric piano and some guitars, for other types like Saxes, Horns, Strings, Synths...in fact, for nearly all other sounds other than those first stated, a volume pedal works absolute wonders.

If you play behind your own or another's vocals, having it assigned to RH only allows far more freedom when adding phrases and sustaining sounds underneath, and a doddle to instantly jump into a lead or solo part.

Arrangers are basically single manual organs with a key split giving the player nearly the same advantage of a second manual. Organs all use expression (volume) pedals.

I use one for all my playing, with the exception of maybe some recordings.

The guy in the demo above would really benefit from having one.

Ian
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#383189 - 01/31/14 09:03 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: cgiles]
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Chas
You can set up a volume pedal to effect anything you want. The Bass (or anything else ) could be covered by Dynamic Arranger touch control so you can have two types of volume control. Think of using your B3 being upgraded with pedal for lower manuel/bass pedals and having velocity sensativity volume control on your upper manuel.

Lots of editing choices available on the BK9.
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#383196 - 01/31/14 09:49 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Pretty good (nice technique), but really "flat" and "clean".

Just did the tune last night on my B-3 at Jazz night at the Club.

All the real key clicks and leslie sounds are problems when you record, but GREAT when you're playing live.

If you don't miss it, try playing one for a few tunes.

There's STILL nothing like it!


R.

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#383203 - 01/31/14 10:25 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: captain Russ]
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Originally Posted By: captain Russ
Pretty good (nice technique), but really "flat" and "clean".

Just did the tune last night on my B-3 at Jazz night at the Club.

All the real key clicks and leslie sounds are problems when you record, but GREAT when you're playing live.

If you don't miss it, try playing one for a few tunes.

There's STILL nothing like it!


R.


Russ is your hand much better now to play or?..

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#383209 - 01/31/14 11:00 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Russ told me on the phone that his hand is much better, almost back to normal as far as pickin'. Great news!
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#383211 - 01/31/14 11:35 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: DonM]
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Thanks for the concern, Donny. It's weird. About 4 times in the last two years, I was literally out of the stringed instrument business and barely able to hold left-handed arranger chords.

It wasn't the pain but the lack of speed and control that got me. I'll always have the discomfort, but the rest goes from almost completely disabling to manageable.


Right now, things are good. I leave Sunday for a 30 hour film session in Louisville; the off to Dubai for two weeks.

I guess I just have to keep my fingers crossed (when I can).

I'm confident enough that I have begun to replenish my "stash" of stringed instruments. I've ordered a uke, two Guilds, a guitarron (Mexican 6 string bass-always wanted one for a decorator), a Godin A6 and several others in the last month or so.


I know....IT'S A SICKNESS!


Russ

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