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#383181 - 01/31/14 07:19 AM Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith.
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#383183 - 01/31/14 07:27 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Why couldn't we have this back in the day of draging around a B3/ Leslie/Bench/Pedals ? 450 lbs to 16

I haven't gone into the organ section too much but I'm excited about the possibilities there. Next in order would be hooking up my PK5 Bass Pedals.

Whoever it is, that guy can play !

Thanks Donny, I never heard this demo.


Edited by Bill Lewis (01/31/14 07:29 AM)
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#383185 - 01/31/14 07:42 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Sorry, but without the dynamics provided by the use of an expression pedal, it just lacks excitement (IMO). Unless it's Rock Organ where everything is balls-to-the-wall, playing jazz organ without using an expression pedal just doesn't cut it for me.

chas

PS: Of course this doesn't mean one couldn't be used with the BK9, assuming it could be set up to only effect the right hand lead (of course then you'd lose the dynamics on the bass line).


Edited by cgiles (01/31/14 07:43 AM)
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#383186 - 01/31/14 07:48 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Originally Posted By: Bill Lewis
Why couldn't we have this back in the day of draging around a B3/ Leslie/Bench/Pedals ? 450 lbs to 16

I haven't gone into the organ section too much but I'm excited about the possibilities there. Next in order would be hooking up my PK5 Bass Pedals.

Whoever it is, that guy can play !

Thanks Donny, I never heard this demo.


Your welcome Bill.... I enjoyed this demo myself...

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#383188 - 01/31/14 09:01 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Nicely played, although I do agree with Chas on the lack of a volume pedal. This tune could have been much more dynamic. Even adding, or having, touch sensitivity on organ sounds (not natural, by the way) will not get you there.

I'm almost certain the BK-9 (the organ sound and style are great, by the way) can have the volume pedal assigned to affect only right hand sounds.

I am continually surprised at how few arranger players use a volume pedal. Although not needed much on non-sustaining, short decay, velocity controlled sounds like piano and electric piano and some guitars, for other types like Saxes, Horns, Strings, Synths...in fact, for nearly all other sounds other than those first stated, a volume pedal works absolute wonders.

If you play behind your own or another's vocals, having it assigned to RH only allows far more freedom when adding phrases and sustaining sounds underneath, and a doddle to instantly jump into a lead or solo part.

Arrangers are basically single manual organs with a key split giving the player nearly the same advantage of a second manual. Organs all use expression (volume) pedals.

I use one for all my playing, with the exception of maybe some recordings.

The guy in the demo above would really benefit from having one.

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#383189 - 01/31/14 09:03 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: cgiles]
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Chas
You can set up a volume pedal to effect anything you want. The Bass (or anything else ) could be covered by Dynamic Arranger touch control so you can have two types of volume control. Think of using your B3 being upgraded with pedal for lower manuel/bass pedals and having velocity sensativity volume control on your upper manuel.

Lots of editing choices available on the BK9.
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#383196 - 01/31/14 09:49 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Pretty good (nice technique), but really "flat" and "clean".

Just did the tune last night on my B-3 at Jazz night at the Club.

All the real key clicks and leslie sounds are problems when you record, but GREAT when you're playing live.

If you don't miss it, try playing one for a few tunes.

There's STILL nothing like it!


R.

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#383203 - 01/31/14 10:25 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: captain Russ]
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Originally Posted By: captain Russ
Pretty good (nice technique), but really "flat" and "clean".

Just did the tune last night on my B-3 at Jazz night at the Club.

All the real key clicks and leslie sounds are problems when you record, but GREAT when you're playing live.

If you don't miss it, try playing one for a few tunes.

There's STILL nothing like it!


R.


Russ is your hand much better now to play or?..

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#383209 - 01/31/14 11:00 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Russ told me on the phone that his hand is much better, almost back to normal as far as pickin'. Great news!
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#383211 - 01/31/14 11:35 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: DonM]
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Thanks for the concern, Donny. It's weird. About 4 times in the last two years, I was literally out of the stringed instrument business and barely able to hold left-handed arranger chords.

It wasn't the pain but the lack of speed and control that got me. I'll always have the discomfort, but the rest goes from almost completely disabling to manageable.


Right now, things are good. I leave Sunday for a 30 hour film session in Louisville; the off to Dubai for two weeks.

I guess I just have to keep my fingers crossed (when I can).

I'm confident enough that I have begun to replenish my "stash" of stringed instruments. I've ordered a uke, two Guilds, a guitarron (Mexican 6 string bass-always wanted one for a decorator), a Godin A6 and several others in the last month or so.


I know....IT'S A SICKNESS!


Russ

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#383213 - 01/31/14 11:45 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: captain Russ]
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[quote=captain Russ]Pretty good (nice technique), but really "flat" and "clean".

Just did the tune last night on my B-3 at Jazz night at the Club.

All the real key clicks and leslie sounds are problems when you record, but GREAT when you're playing live.

If you don't miss it, try playing one for a few tunes.

There's STILL nothing like it!

Oh I miss it big time. B3/Rhoades/ Synth and kicking the bass on the modified pedals I had. Great times and really playing hard till you broke a sweat. Me and the Drummer were tighter than a Crab's A**. Wish I could do it again. Great that you still have the opprotunity, keep going.
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#383215 - 01/31/14 11:55 AM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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I used to say, "You don't play a Hammond B-3...you ride it!"

Certainly nothing feels like sitting in front of that solid console and enjoying the response of that terrific keyboard and the 4 sets of drawbars...not to mention the glorious sound being tossed around by, in my case, two Leslie 147RV's.

"Close enough" are operative words for most of us these days not wanting to lug around over 400 lbs of B-3 and a Leslie cabinet.

Russ, as Bill says above, it is good you still have the opportunity (and the good fortune) of playing the "real deal".

Glad to hear your hand injury is healed and manageable.

Ian
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#383224 - 01/31/14 02:19 PM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: captain Russ]
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Originally Posted By: captain Russ
Thanks for the concern, Donny. It's weird. About 4 times in the last two years, I was literally out of the stringed instrument business and barely able to hold left-handed arranger chords.

It wasn't the pain but the lack of speed and control that got me. I'll always have the discomfort, but the rest goes from almost completely disabling to manageable.


Right now, things are good. I leave Sunday for a 30 hour film session in Louisville; the off to Dubai for two weeks.

I guess I just have to keep my fingers crossed (when I can).

I'm confident enough that I have begun to replenish my "stash" of stringed instruments. I've ordered a uke, two Guilds, a guitarron (Mexican 6 string bass-always wanted one for a decorator), a Godin A6 and several others in the last month or so.I know....IT'S A SICKNESS!Russ


Russ glad you healing well.....btw I thought you were cleaning house with gear? confused1

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#383235 - 01/31/14 03:20 PM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Donny, I'm a gear addict. I liquidated over 200 pieces I don't use (mostly guitars) and am in the process of doing the research to donate the proceeds. It's a little tricky. All instruments have been depreciated, so I owe capital gains tax unless I can work up a court approved dispersal of the instruments or proceeds of a sale.

Actually, I want to support the New Orleans Habitat project Chas is tied into, and the instruments that will go to that effort are to be sold at auction this month (Feb) and held in trust until the plan is approved.

But, old habits die hard, and I've between buying at least 2 instruments a month since the liquidation. I went from 312 stringed instruments to 94;now I'm back up to 122.

Funny thing; I haven't missed a single one of the 219 that I liquidated.

But thought I HAD TO HAVE the ones I recently purchased.


Oh well. I am old and silly and can do whatever I want!
(my kids moan and groan every time I come home with a case, and the two players want me to "consult" with them before buying anything. RIGHT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN!)

Keyboards and amps...over 100 pieces. But that's a different story.


Be well,


Russ (junkyard) Lay

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#383241 - 01/31/14 03:38 PM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Russ, put the proceeds into your retirement account. That's what I do with all the profits, which reduces the adjusted gross income by that amount.

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#383254 - 01/31/14 04:21 PM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Might as well use that gear lust to justify a BK-9, Russ...

I know the forum is only just waking up to this gem, but I've been in love with it since it came through the door. Wicked B3 (and yes, nobody should be ALLOWED to play a B3 sound without a swell pedal... it should be disconnected until you plug one in, LOL), able to go the gamut from clean (even too clean, like this) to wound up dirty contacts and all.

Yes, just like the Nord's and other top B3 sims, you get adjustment of the key click volume, drawbar crosstalk, and several different amp sims, so you can go from polite church B3 into a PR cab, to a jazz B3 through a 145, to a bored-out rocker running through a Marshall before the 147's!

In something weighing 20lbs..!

I am in love with it! Mind you, just like any real love, there are things that drive you crazy... But that's love for you!

BTW, they fixed one of my pet peeves in the G70, the reverb send was PRE-Leslie, not post. Now you can get a nice hall or room around the Leslie, and go for that big room 'Whiter Shade' sound, or a smaller room for jazz. This demo, on the whole, could have done with a bit more reverb on the Leslie, to match the drums, but still a good one, nonetheless...

And I am ecstatic to hear of Russ's recovery. That must be such a relief. Treat yourself to the best live sounding arranger (and by FAR the best Hammond sim in an arranger) out there as a reward!
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#383257 - 01/31/14 04:30 PM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Diki]
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Gary, you have to pay capital gains. The balance can go wherever you want.

There are some tax advantaged donation schemes. This is where i want the funds to go.

It's a question of, can I donate the entire proceeds or only what's left after capital gains taxes are paid?


Believe me, there is a significant amount involved and I've spent over $10,000.00 in legal fees making sure I do it right. And there will be at least that much more in legal fees before it's over.


R.


Edited by captain Russ (01/31/14 04:31 PM)

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#383263 - 01/31/14 05:07 PM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: Dnj]
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Russ, call when you can. Got some ideas about the N.O. project.
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#383267 - 01/31/14 05:16 PM Re: Roland BK-9. The Cat: Jimmy Smith. [Re: DonM]
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Hey, Don...heading for work now, then in studio from 1:AM until 9:AM. I have a session in Louisville Sunday noon until I leave for my Monday gig back in Lexington. I'll get with you Tuesday afternoon.


Russ


Edited by captain Russ (01/31/14 05:16 PM)

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