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#386258 - 03/13/14 07:20 AM
Re: American Song Book
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Well, I'm less enthusiastic about singing over a SMF pre-recorded backing (even if it was made or edited by the singer) than I would be about the performer playing it all "live", by changing chords at the proper time and using fills, intros, endings, and right hand support as needed.
Singing over a SMF edges too close to Karaoke in my opinion, but that's just how I feel...perhaps others would disagree, but I feel a previously-recorded backing takes the performer further out of the performance.
I'm sure both methods have their advantages, but I've always been more impressed with singing "live" while using a style and adding Right Hand parts to embellish.
Nevertheless, you did a bang up job on the vocal and gave the song your own personal stamp.
Nice work, Donny.
Ian
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#386267 - 03/13/14 08:15 AM
Re: American Song Book
[Re: Dnj]
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I'm glad your methods work for you Donny, but I'm still of the opinion that singing (with no playing) over a pre-recorded background is too close to Kareoke...the only difference would be the professionalism or talent of the vocalist.
Adding tracks to a SMF is difficult for some players, I suppose...I've never found it hard, as the correct chord changes have all been done for me ahead of time.
A Bossa style from "scratch" is still a Bossa style...to play a tune, the chord changes still have to be done by the player in "real time" unlike a SMF where the file's original creator determined what chords were used and where.
If singing over a SMF works best in some situations, by all means use one...nothing is set in stone. I just feel that singing over "live" style play (with Right Hand embellishments) is more engaging and less likely to sound exactly the same each time (again, my opinion).
i.e With style play, the performer can use Variations and Fills differently each time the tune is played...they can even spontaneously use a style from a different genre, or slightly alter a chord progression for a particular verse.
You don't need to defend your methods Donny...like you, I feel that the performer should do whatever it takes to get the job done as good as possible.
Ian
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#386279 - 03/13/14 09:46 AM
Re: American Song Book
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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I agree, Ian. For what it's worth, all songs, at least all the songs I know, are repetitious loops, no different than any style file. The style file does, however, provide us with breaks, fills and variations that can be utilized throughout the song as it progresses, so it does not sound repetitive. Now, I occasionally use a midi file, some of which are really great, and when doing so, I'll usually comp with my right hand while singing the song. But, this technique, despite the fact that I am playing some of the parts, does border on Karaoke, IMO. However, no one in the audience really knows you are not playing, or for that matter, cares. They just want to be entertained, and that's why they're paying us. They could care less about our musicianship. Cheers, Gary
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#386281 - 03/13/14 09:50 AM
Re: American Song Book
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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I agree, Ian. For what it's worth, all songs, at least all the songs I know, are repetitious loops, no different than any style file. The style file does, however, provide us with breaks, fills and variations that can be utilized throughout the song as it progresses, so it does not sound repetitive. Now, I occasionally use a midi file, some of which are really great, and when doing so, I'll usually comp with my right hand while singing the song. But, this technique, despite the fact that I am playing some of the parts, does border on Karaoke, IMO. However, no one in the audience really knows you are not playing, or for that matter, cares. They just want to be entertained, and that's why they're paying us. They could care less about our musicianship. Cheers,Gary ok I'll agree top disagree again....let me also add I made alot of backing tracks playing live styles also on my Kb's... as I dont always use a keyboard when I gig..mix it up baby!
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