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#386284 - 03/13/14 10:06 AM Re: American Song Book [Re: travlin'easy]
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Originally Posted By: travlin'easy




Now, I occasionally use a midi file, some of which are really great, and when doing so, I'll usually comp with my right hand while singing the song. But, this technique, despite the fact that I am playing some of the parts, does border on Karaoke, IMO. However, no one in the audience really knows you are not playing, or for that matter, cares. They just want to be entertained, and that's why they're paying us. They could care less about our musicianship.

Cheers,

Gary cool


I guess, unfortunately, you are right with the latter part of your statement, Gary. People just want to be entertained, and they usually don't care about musicianship.

I prefer to see an arranger player using a style, whether singing or not, and my next best preference would be to see someone playing piano or right hand embellishments over an SMF, again singing or not.

It's just when I see someone walk away from the keyboard whilst singing, and the instrument is still playing the entire background, including chord changes (and even solos) that I tend to totally lose interest.

But, that's just me. Most people are there to be entertained, but I'm more entertained (or impressed) by the performer's musicianship, whether that includes vocals or not.

Ian
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#386292 - 03/13/14 11:08 AM Re: American Song Book [Re: Dnj]
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Hi Guy's

I don't remember Sinatra and his mate's using an arranger, surely the vocalist is a "Musician" in his own right. In his case the band was just a bit more realistic LOL

As a result of Mark's comments, would you believe it, I am now taking singing lesson's and my teacher/vocal coach is encouraging me to use backing track's so as to concentrate more on the vocal. Who's right and who's wrong?

All the best

Col

PS: an iPad is hell of a lot lighter than a G70. The Voicelive Touch work's fine using the input from the iPad/tablet.

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#386293 - 03/13/14 11:14 AM Re: American Song Book [Re: Dnj]
ianmcnll Offline
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I'd say there are no "rights and wrongs", Col...just personal preferences and perhaps, expectations.

Best wishes for the success of your singing lessons...concentrating on the vocal, especially as a student, is paramount...the backing music is incidental in that case.

Ian
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#386295 - 03/13/14 11:24 AM Re: American Song Book [Re: Saswick]
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Originally Posted By: Saswick
Hi Guy's

I don't remember Sinatra and his mate's using an arranger, surely the vocalist is a "Musician" in his own right. In his case the band was just a bit more realistic LOL

As a result of Mark's comments, would you believe it, I am now taking singing lesson's and my teacher/vocal coach is encouraging me to use backing track's so as to concentrate more on the vocal. Who's right and who's wrong?

All the best

Col

PS: an iPad is hell of a lot lighter than a G70. The Voicelive Touch work's fine using the input from the iPad/tablet.





Col, your coach said this that you can continue improving....not the best way to perform..
I have several ladie friends that perform (sing) with tracks via computer..The "image" causes less respect for what they are doing.I also have ladie friends that also sing to tracks, but via a keyboard/computer combination...and they play in spots, also embellished with flute playing..They get much more credit..
BTW:, the respect and non respect come from their peers..
Always haul the G70...when it really counts..
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#386298 - 03/13/14 11:54 AM Re: American Song Book [Re: Dnj]
Beemer Offline
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Registered: 05/23/13
Posts: 73
Loc: Scotland
Originally Posted By: Dnj
Thanx Ian for listening,....I think you meant "Embraceable You"


Donny,

Oops! Yes of course I meant "Embraceable You".

I've just got to ask you about your singing history? Were you naturally able to sing like we hear you now? Different gender but you remind me of how perfectly in tune Ella sang.

Sorry about the mix-up. For a moment I thought "oh dear" I must have praised the wrong guy frown

Ian
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#386304 - 03/13/14 01:34 PM Re: American Song Book [Re: Beemer]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Originally Posted By: Beemer
Originally Posted By: Dnj
Thanx Ian for listening,....I think you meant "Embraceable You"

Donny,

Oops! Yes of course I meant "Embraceable You".

I've just got to ask you about your singing history? Were you naturally able to sing like we hear you now? Different gender but you remind me of how perfectly in tune Ella sang.


Beemer....Thanks,....I just naturally sing the way I do,.....been on stage since I was 14, never took a singing lesson in my life, although I play a few different instruments like drums, guitar, sax, but being a drummer helps big time & is critical for your singing timing, etc, .....& I played with alot of great musicians, bands, etc, and many singers along the way ALWAYS absorbing little things from each one to developed my own style.

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#386314 - 03/13/14 02:16 PM Re: American Song Book [Re: Dnj]
tony mads usa Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 14376
Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
Originally Posted By: Dnj

Beemer....Thanks,....I just naturally sing the way I do,.....


... you were Blessed ...
singer
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#386318 - 03/13/14 03:17 PM Re: American Song Book [Re: tony mads usa]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Originally Posted By: tony mads usa
Originally Posted By: Dnj

Beemer....Thanks,....I just naturally sing the way I do,.....


... you were Blessed ...
singer


we were ALL given some sought of talent find out what it is and SHARE it with the world I say! wink

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#386321 - 03/13/14 04:25 PM Re: American Song Book [Re: Dnj]
tony mads usa Offline
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Posts: 14376
Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
doing the best I can with what I've got ... grin
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