https://soundcloud.com/sokratis-1974/sets/new-ajamsonic-audio-styles

Just found these Audya Styles on intternet, which got me wondering if these might actually the best styles i ever heared.

These Ajamsonic Superstyles have been posted last week here ...

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/391264/2/Ketron_Ajamsonic_better_then_T

Sorry, i missed that, seems they where buried deep down in the thread....


But then something that good deserves a thread of its own, dont you agree?

Sounds excellent no doubt! But I also like the warm sound the T4 and the unplugged/acoustic sound of the PA900.

I have to admit that had this of been 10 or 15 years ago I would have probably dropped everything and went for the Audya - similar to what I did when I let go of my PSR8000 in favour of the Solton X1. It didn't work out for me then and I think it would be the same for me now! I'm really happy with what I've already got but no doubt the Audya is a superb sounding instrument.

Yamaha has good programmed styles.All they have to do is give us better drum kits less compressed, with control for ambiance..They would come really close to Aydia styles which are great for live play

yamaha added audio drums to their latest 2 top arrangers psr 950 and T5, but believe me, a style is much more then just drums. The audio drums didnt make the huge difference people expected..

The whole style engine of the Audya is much more advanced then T5 or even Pa3x, much more advanced in using techniques that make it sound better..


However, still think my pa3x is a more complete beast, having owned both, its clear to me that the pa3x allows players much more real time and edditing controll in making the arrangements and sounds sound just like you want...

But the ajamsonic audya styles are as good as it gets out of the box...they simply sound stunning and very diverse.

I think Yamaha did all these audio styles in a hurry.We can't add new once, we can't even get the once from s950. Yamaha is not making new once.I like my T5, but there is much to desire when it comes to any kind of editing.If they at least come through with software editing of sounds and styles.I am hoping for new drums expansion and software for editing individual drum parts in style...It would be really nice for fixing older styles..Korg already has it pa3x...
Aydia has the best styles, no comparison. .I wanted to get one before I bought T5, but again in North America AJ is the only who can help...

Audya has amazing drums but in the styles I listened to on SoundCloud the drummer would be taking over. Maybe some quieter less busy styles would impress me more. I can't imagine singing with a style where the drummer wants to take over.

The styles in the video sampling in the previous post are much more to my liking.

God Bless,
Don

Thank you dear friend Bachus for the post....
It is my job in Cooperation with Ajamsonic inc...
This styles will release after few days.....
My friend KORG80..... You are right.... However believe me....
I have play to many times with this styles in live gigs with different singers and not only this was annoyed, but they like it too....
Thank you!!!

Its easier to remove tracks then to add them... I think you can easilly tweak these styles down... Where as a less busy style is just what it is.

I agree that the drums are far to dominant in the audya super styles presented . How do you edit audya drums other than reduce the volume ?

The "best arranger styles", in my opinion, are the ones that work best for the user's playing style and needs.

I'm not a fan of Yamaha's audio drum based styles, although admittedly, they sound pretty good. They fall down, unfortunately, in the editing department.

I'm also not very fond of the posted (and earlier) Audya styles either, but it's more of a case of preferring a smoother sounding style.

Yamaha's styles appeal to my ears, not just because they are more fluid sounding than the competition (yet still possess lots of detail) but there is a vast database of styles to use as donor styles when making one's own personal accompaniments.

I prefer to put my own stamp on a tune, so song based styles have limited appeal to me, and, although I always use styles when I play/record, I don't use them to color my songs.

I create songs by using styles...they're an essential part of what I do...to me, they're part of the art.

Ian

I address the drum balance very easily with my Arranger sliders(8) to quickly put everything in balance and save as registration. If you want to go deeper and edit the style, change drums, etc., it is quite simple.

The important thing to me is that I have the live kick when I want it or tame it down when warranted, in two or three seconds.

for us pros on stage..what I love about Ketron arrangers like the Audya & my Midjay is that you can access and play all modes SIMULTANEOUSLY if needed. This is something you cannot do with most other arrangers,...this is imperative on stage when you are juggling between songs in different modes when using styles/smf/mp3/fx/...etc, it also creates no in between time and easier segways,......otherwise you have to use a laptop, tablet, etc.

Another Ketron arranger favorite feature for me was
Bass lock, & Drum lock, giving you so many more variations to create in style play also.

It's amazing that Ketron aren't more popular, considering the mentioned advantages, although using smf, mp3 etc. would not apply in my case as I prefer to use styles, whether I'm on stage or in the studio.

During my tenure as an arranger/keyboard clinician for a large area of Canada, I have never laid eyes on an Audya, let alone played one. My only experience with Ketron instruments is through uploaded demos and videos.

Considering the positive comments about Ketron instruments, it's a little perplexing why more pros and/or advanced players aren't using them in their kits, but instead they mainly use mid-level arrangers/laptops/tablets to perform basically the same functions.

For pro players needing such extra functions (thankfully, not me), would it not be advantageous to use one arranger keyboard (i.e. the Audya) and dispense with all the outboard gear, especially since many here profess to really like the overall sound of the instrument.

Another advantage for some would be the considerably shortened setup/teardown time that seems to be very important for those doing multiple gigs?

Yet, Audya users are rather rare, even here on an arranger-centric forum...why?

Ian

Ian same anaolgy.........ROLLS ROYCE vehicles are Top of the line,
but you see more Hondas & Toyotas on the road etc, .....
see what I mean?

Donny, maintenance on Rolls Royce cars is very costly (of course, owners can probably well afford it), and although they are reliable, the Toyota and Honda are also pretty bulletproof. Buying a Rolls second-hand (out of warranty) is not recommended unless you have lots of money for maintenance.

And, actually, Toyota, Honda and now even Hyundai are consistently at the top of most reliability/satisfaction surveys, whereas Rolls, Mercedes etc. are usually mid-ways.

Plus, what can a Rolls do that a Camry or Accord can't do, other than allegedly elevate your status? It still takes you from point A to point B, arguably in a plusher environment.

To me, the "best" is what meets MY needs as perfectly as possible, and that includes how much I'm willing to spend and the very minimum of maintenance (if any).

Ian

In my case, the only piece of outboard gear is the laptop, which serves many functions. Like Ian, I prefer styles to MP3s and midi files, but there are times, such as yesterday evening, when I fire up an MP3 so I can take a short break, and the crowd can continue dancing. The laptop, at most of the places I go, also has wireless internet connection, so I can look up the lyrics to a song, then copy and paste them directly into my wordpad lyrics files for future reference. Most of the places I perform have given me their access codes so I can easily do this. I did this last night for a song I've never performed, selected a style, pasted the lyrics into WordPad and everyone said they loved the song. (Sometimes I get luck with this kind of stuff.)

Also, despite the huge cash outlay for eye surgery, I still cannot clearly see the lyrics on the keyboard displays, and you have to look down to see them, thereby loosing eye contact with your audiences. So, while that one size fits all aspect may be OK for some, for me, it's not useable.

As for the styles themselves, I really don't think there is sufficient differences for a performer such as myself that primarily relies on vocals in the forefront to worry about it. Hey, I've always said, I'm an entertainer - not a musician.

The cost of an Audya, at least right now, is irrelevant. If money were an issue, I wouldn't be the owner of a pair of Bose compacts and a sailboat.

Last but, not least, weight is a significant issue, at least for me in my declining years. There are days when the S-950 feels like it weighs a ton, so I could not imagine picking up an Audya. Guess I'm getting old.

Gary

A rolls royce cost ten times as much as a toyota... Yet audya is almost in the same price range.....

Its more like, why dont you see many french cars like renault and peugeot in the states, they are just as good as a toyota and just as expensive, yet you dont see them

Considering the scarcity of Audya support, it would never make my list of a "have to own" arranger, no matter what its cost relative to the other brands.

But, it must be selling well enough to be still on the market.

I hope it continues to succeed, as more choices are always welcome.

Ian

Ian I think its much bigger world wide then you might expect.

Never seen one, either, Ian. L&M are listed on Ketron's website as distributors, but L&M's site shows only a Mid-Jay Pro module unit at $2,700. Ketron seems to have a long way to go up here.

Possibly, Donny, but in my region, arranger keyboards were/are very popular, and Ketron (of any model) was barely a blip on the radar, and most people have never heard of it, despite the world becoming increasingly smaller due to the Internet.

If using an arranger keyboard (without backup, especially)is a pro musician's main means of income, one would have to be daft to be using an instrument with little or no support.

It's not just hardware/software reliability either...anyone can have an accident by bumping or dropping an instrument, or have a drink spilled on it.

Bachus,cars like Peugeot and Renault were tried here in Canada (especially in Quebec) but poor dealer service (and inadequate rust resistance preparation...plus dreadful depreciation) had a severe effect on their place in the market.

Why would inadequate or very rare support regarding an arranger keyboard be any different?

Ian

I have to agree with Ian. While arranger keyboard breakdowns are rare, as a pro entertainer, I need service NOW - not two weeks from today - NOW! I've very fortunate in that I have a great repair guy an hour away who has most of the parts in stock to fix any Yamaha arranger keyboard, and more often than now he can fix it while you wait, frequently in less than an hour. And, he does not charge an arm and a leg to do the job. As I've stated in the past, if it were not for AJ, Ketron would not exist in the US.

As for the cars, I feel the same way - my Dodge Grand Caravan is very reliable, has 115,000 miles on it and runs like a Swiss watch. If something goes bad, I can have it repaired just 5 miles from my home, usually in one day or less, and the repair guy provides me with a loaner car while he's fixing mine - another Grand Caravan. Many years ago I had a Renault R16, the wiring harness caught on fire the first week I owned it, and it took three months to get a new one from the manufacturer. That one caught on fire, and they did a recall. It took me two months more to get the car back - I traded it in on a full size Ford van the follow day. Drove that van more than 300,000 miles before getting another. So from my perspective, that Renault was the worst car I've ever owned in my life.

Cheers,

Gary

. Despite all things AJ does, Ketron seems to be concentrating fully on the european market. In Germany, France and the southern european countries Ketron is a big thing... Major player.

The US arranger situation is just not representive for the rest of the world.

I must admit that it was a leap of faith when I was blown away by the Audya videos and just had to have one. I was also very aware of the early problems some were having.

However, there was Frankie as a dealer, although not a rep. There was a very good chance that if my machine was okay, it would stay that way, since I never had a board go out on me in over thirty years. Lastly, was the fact that I had three other boards gig ready.

As it turned out, I never have had one glitch, and I upgraded to AJ's package, which put it over the top,IMO.

I'm glad to hear of your positive experience, Bernie. The Audya is one very powerful arranger, and I hope they remain on the scene for a long time to come.

Choice is always good.

AJ is one excellent and indispensable member of their crew.

Ian

Gary,

Can you please PM/email me the information for your service center (KetronUSA@AjamSonic.com)? These are the kind of folks we would love to authorize repair/service KETRON products ... people dedicated to keeping their customers happy and who will have our parts on stand-by if needed.

We will be expanding the service centers accross the US within the next few months as we re-organize.

Thanks.

AJ, I PM'd the information to you.

Gary

Here is THE guy in Shreveport area.

Mike Blau
Electromusic Service
2100 Marshall St, Shreveport, LA 71101
(318) 222-5884

Thanks guys (Gary and Don). Keep them coming. The more the better.