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#392274 - 08/27/14 06:07 PM
Re: Have Arranger KBs died out ?
[Re: Dnj]
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Chas, unfortunately, a lot of what you posted has already taken place, especially when it comes to younger people. There's no instant gratification with any instrument, thus my friend's music teaching rooms (15 of them) at his store no longer have a waiting list. In some ways, I guess keyboards, like many things that require some degree of effort to learn, will eventually give way to things that take little or no effort to provide the same end means. And, yes, if the vocals are good to excellent, the audiences really don't care where the music comes from. Hell, everyone has been hoodwinked to believing that we, as OMB entertainers, are just doing karaoke and not really playing the arranger at all. This has always amazed me. Cheers, Gary ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool.gif)
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#392336 - 08/29/14 06:22 AM
Re: Have Arranger KBs died out ?
[Re: Dnj]
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I feel that arranger manufacturers are struggling to come up with new and more groundbreaking features to generate more interest.
In my case, the Tyros4 will quite likely be my last arranger keyboard as it has everything to suit my needs. The Tyros5, in my opinion, is just a T4 with audio drum based styles and a few other newish features, (although the Ensemble feature is quite nice), and it wasn't worth the upgrade, at least to me.
If the interest in arrangers hasn't actually died out, I feel that it peaked somewhat a few years ago, and is on a decline of sorts.
All arrangers are hobby based instruments in my estimation, although some enterprising and creative performers managed to use them in professional ways.
I do know that the arranger provided me with a lot of work that I may not have got just using traditional keyboards.
Ian
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#392343 - 08/29/14 09:03 AM
Re: Have Arranger KBs died out ?
[Re: tony mads usa]
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Lets be honest all were doing is operating an automatic computerized music player or sorts and controlling parts just like a Dj would do which is mainstream now. I respectfully disagree, Donny, in that while I may be "operating an automatic computerized music player or sorts and controlling parts" , it is MY PLAYING that is doing that ... if I screw up, that computerized music player screws up as well ... And even though FORBES list of "Top Earning Musicians" includes several DJs - at earnings of well over $50 million for the year ![rolleyes rolleyes](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/rolleyes.gif) - I will not include them as 'musicians' in my thinking ... When I go out for musical entertainment, I look for 'live musicians', even if it is a OMB, over a DJ ... I respect the fact that you and several others on this forum have had to incorporate DJing into your entertainment profile in order to keep up with current trends and continue to make a living in the music field, but I am just as happy that I am at a stage in MY life where doing that is not necessary ... Amen!
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#392347 - 08/29/14 09:51 AM
Re: Have Arranger KBs died out ?
[Re: DonM]
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Lets be honest all were doing is operating an automatic computerized music player or sorts and controlling parts just like a Dj would do which is mainstream now. I respectfully disagree, Donny, in that while I may be "operating an automatic computerized music player or sorts and controlling parts" , it is MY PLAYING that is doing that ... if I screw up, that computerized music player screws up as well ... And even though FORBES list of "Top Earning Musicians" includes several DJs - at earnings of well over $50 million for the year ![rolleyes rolleyes](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/rolleyes.gif) - I will not include them as 'musicians' in my thinking ... When I go out for musical entertainment, I look for 'live musicians', even if it is a OMB, over a DJ ... I respect the fact that you and several others on this forum have had to incorporate DJing into your entertainment profile in order to keep up with current trends and continue to make a living in the music field, but I am just as happy that I am at a stage in MY life where doing that is not necessary ... Amen! Exactly Don but no one cares or do they know what your doing up on stage & why should they? It's only what they hear that matters. Operating computers is what we do in any way shape or form which still takes talent of which no one understands but the player. I think 30 years of arranger kb playing is not a bad record we had a good run so far... but all things come to an end ![frown frown](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/frown.gif) and Arranger KB will soon face this in one way or another to make room for the next greatest form of musical creation. Denial wont change anything..... just keep on doing what we do, what ever way we do, and enjoy it. ![cool2 cool2](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool2.gif)
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#392352 - 08/29/14 10:40 AM
Re: Have Arranger KBs died out ?
[Re: Dnj]
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Looking at the latest uploads by Jim and Rico, I seem to see someone actually playing rather than "operating a computer"...these guys, like many of us here, are "players" and certainly not DJ or Karaoke style players/singers.
All it takes is one or two to give the rest a bad name.
The arranger keyboard, in the right hands, is still a wonderfully expressive, and personal instrument.
Ian
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