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#392427 - 08/30/14 09:54 AM
Re: Have Arranger KBs died out ?
[Re: Dnj]
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Remember also, that almost all of the top level pros (on TV/Concert circuit etc)do not need to provide more than their ONE part at a time ... there's a band for that. There are exceptions to the multi-taskers in Rock & Jazz history - consider John Paul Jones (Zep), Jimmy Smith(B3 master), Ray Manzarek(Doors) - all played bass while holding down the keys. That was the early suggestion that maybe one man could do more with better tools. Well, we have better tools now, so I intend to use them to their capacity. The argument of playing sequences as "boring" baffles me ... didn't we all start out just playing our parts while all the other parts were played by the rest of the band? (digital, or otherwise?)I see performing with a sequence as equal to performing with a band - I do my thing, and what I can't, or choose NOT to do ... is handled by other sources. Typically, I start the night with simple arranger patterns - left hand bass, right hand Rhodes and drums - as the night advances, I add more backing parts and use sequences or MP3s as called for. Some tunes just can't be beat in their original format, and the crowd responds in kind. I love the flexibility of using all the tools, as I see fit to orchestrate the night. The best arranger? ME, of course ... I'm the guy at the helm - the big cheese, the lead vocalist and the caller of the tunes. It's GOOD to be the king.
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#392447 - 08/30/14 10:25 AM
Re: Have Arranger KBs died out ?
[Re: cgiles]
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...I laughed all the way to the bank!
Ian Well, "laughing all the way to the bank" is a relative term; you (or me) 'laughing all the way to the bank' is not the same as say, John Legend or Billy Joel 'laughing all the way to the bank'. In the words of my hero, DNJ, "just sayin'. ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif) chas Certainly not, Chas...I was speaking in relative terms, of course. Now I go to the bank to give the tellers a bit of comedy relief...they look at my pension cheque and say, "Ha, you're livin' on THAT...what a joke!!" My last year at my old house, I was so poor...the mice left! Ian
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#392455 - 08/30/14 11:51 AM
Re: Have Arranger KBs died out ?
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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The argument of playing sequences as "boring" baffles me ... didn't we all start out just playing our parts while all the other parts were played by the rest of the band? (digital, or otherwise?)I see performing with a sequence as equal to performing with a band - I do my thing, and what I can't, or choose NOT to do ... is handled by other sources.
I suppose I should have made my point more clear. Playing along with a backing sequence can certainly be done in many interesting ways, and, this of course, depends on the parts you leave out (or shut off) and the portion you play on your instrument. What I find particularly hard to watch is someone singing over the entire full backing and only occasionally, if at all, playing the odd melody or brief solo...this is sometimes accompanied by walking away from the keyboard completely and just singing. To me, that's just plain keyboard karaoke.... nothing wrong with it per se, but someone billing themselves as a "keyboard player" is guilty of an exaggeration...to "play" does not mean pressing the "play" button on the sequencer and letting the instrument do 99.999% of the accompaniment. Yes, I do fully understand about playing "your part" in the sequence, as if you were in a virtual band...perhaps some piano or organ chords, fills and leads, and that makes perfect sense. I suppose it all hinges on just how much actual live participation (playing the keys) is being done by the performer that would lift it out of keyboard karaoke and into an area where someone actually provided a relatively major part of the accompaniment themselves. Again, it's not the actual singing over a backing track sans any real playing that I find hard to take... I think some performers that do this are very good and do quite well at it. It's when they say they are "playing" but it is clear they are not. We all have our pet peeves, David...yours is the word "gig"...mine is "keyboard karaoke". Ian
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