Anyone have any?

http://www.attackmagazine.com/features/new-products-namm-2015/

I dont see anyone on this bbs thread link wanting an arranger KB at NAMM?...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron...ur-desires.html

There will be a new Nord keyboard
There might be a PA4x, unless its anounced at music messe
Lots of analogue and VA synths
A new spectrasonics VST

A Motif and a Fantom replacement are long overdue..

Yamaha might also release their new clavinova range, with for the first time a clavinova that outperforms the current Tyros modell

so in other words to our knowledge so far today no new
Arranger KB's........could low sales be the reason or
new technology changing from the traditional to something completely new or a hybrid of new & old? or PC/VST/WS/AR mixed...

The new Nord will be the Nord Stage 3, according to an out-of-focus 'appetizer' video. It obviously has a well-sized display, which is unusual for Nord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNnEH5KczpY
A rather credible website, which correctly predicted that this model would be revealed in December, says it will cost 4,000$!


Regarding a Roland Fantom successor, I am pessimistic. I think it was Roland's intention to address the less risky low-/mid-priced market with the FA-06/08, and they are economically in a position too unsettled to invest in a high-end workstation. I hope it will change again one day. It would also be very nice if the released a BK-7m successor and didn't completely forget the BK-9, but no sign of that...

I've never 'enjoyed'? gear lust. An i30 and a Pa1xPro have seen me through the past 15 years quite nicely, so I'm not too fussed about what's coming down the pipe.

If, and it would seem likely, a new Pa4x, or whatever it might be called, appears, then I might be tempted. Workhorse that my 1x is, it won't last forever. Neither will I, come to that.

I'm seriously considering one of these new pianos by Waldorf. Nice flat top (for the Tyros4), with 76 keys (that go down to low E) and from the on-line demos I have heard so far, a super instrument, although probably a little pricey.

Then again, in some cases, you actually do get what you pay for.

http://www.waldorf-music.info/zarenbourg

As far as Arranger Keyboards go, anything new is just not on my radar as the Tyros4 is more than enough for my arranger needs...the Tyros5 wasn't enough of an upgrade, and after using the T4 for some time now, it would be difficult to go back to the much lighter and shallower actioned, non-aftertouch, PSR keybed.

I suspect Yamaha will be replacing it's long-in-the-tooth Motif line very soon, and I figure the S950 replacement won't be out until the fall or later.

Ian

OK so now no one knows absolutely anything about a NEW Arranger as of today,...we'll just have to wait, be excited, or disappointed in what offerings WINTER NAMM 2015 will bring to the table regarding Arrangers,......
pretty much you gotta enjoy what your have now which necessarily isn't a bad thing,...just sayin'........

carry on

Actually Roland does not need to make a huge investment to make a credible top of the line workstation... We all know that what makes todays Synths and workstations running is called software...

And they got all the software parts to create something sensational ... Based on cheep modern day Intel hardware... Imagine they add, the software of the V-synth, JP80, Fa, Integra7, V-drum, V- piano, and their great organ sounds intoo a single instrument, some feautures if their aria range and maybe even add style support, and offcourse a lot of real time controllers and a great keybed, and fullMDaw integration comparable to the NI komplete

Which means nothing new, just adding the things they allready have and integrating them in a single workstation.... Which keeps development costs fairly low... While hardware costs might even be lower by using COTS parts...

It would blow everything we have seen so far away, including Tyros, Audya and Kronos... And if they make it a modular expandable system, they can keep selling new software expansions for years, and maybe even sell hardware upgrades...

For the price they charge for Clavinova's...they should have at least the T5 capability/sounds etc. They should not be 1 or 2 levels behind T5.

I hate the way Yamaha holds back technology, so they can just get you a year or 2 later.!

Those are nice but WAY over priced.
Cabinets & 88 note keybeds do not cost all that much to make.
Lee

Of course you are correct, Lee...they are overpriced! What makes it an even more bitter pill to swallow (but pure sweet candy for the dealer) is that they are generally an easy sell, especially the ebony and polished mahogany models.

I oughta know...I demoed quite a few of them, and watched many people fork over quite a chunk of change without a whimper.

Visually pleasing instruments are usually an easy sell, especially when they also manage to sound pretty good too, and the CVP manages to do that very well...however, some people hear with their eyes.

The person behind the average Clavinova purchase is usually the lady of the home, and generally they are not remotely aware of the differences in their chosen instrument and a Tyros, which is viewed as more of a synthesizer/keyboard instrument...they are also more concerned with how it will look in the living/music room, and that it can be used for the kid's piano lessons.

My biggest beef with the CVP was the lack of pitch/mod wheels...otherwise, they were a really nice instrument to play...great keyboard action, and, the higher end CVP's had double the polyphony of a Tyros.

But, yes, a tad overpriced for sure.

Ian

Ian, that Waldorf piano looks really cool. I can't find anyone selling it in the US.

I recently bought a Kurzweil SP4-7 as a 76 key board for use at home, which I enjoy playing on its own and as a midi controller for rehearsal purposes with my Korg Pa900. I love having the extra keys (but love the light weight of the 61 key board to take out with me).

This would be another cool home studio option. Do you know if you can import any sounds or are you restricted to just what they provide at manufacture?

Graham, it certainly does look cool, and it sounds great from the demos I've heard.

Here is one of my favorite demo guys, Katsunori Ujiie (it's in Japanese, but has excellent English captions) giving it a go.

Click on the black bar at the top of video [English Captions]



I don't think it will load new sounds, but for my purposes, that won't matter, as it will also be used to control my Tyros4, which has oodles of sound options.

Primarily, I like the flat top, and, how it sounds basically out of the box, which is how Ujiie is playing it.

I like his enthusiastic, but unbiased approach to each keyboard he tries out.

I may also look at the new Yamaha CP4 Digital piano which he also tests elsewhere on his site (also with captions) and appeared thoroughly knocked out by it.

I'm hoping the Waldorf will be distributed here in Canada...I'm asking around.

Maybe Frankie or George could give us some info about US?

Ian

Nice demo thanx for the link great sounds!!

I could only get Japanese CC to work. How does one see the English subtitles?

Jim,

On the video above, click on the black bar at the top of the screen (where it says "Waldorf Zarenbourg Demo&Review[English Captions]) ...at the opening video, you may have to click on CC to get subtitles.

Ian

You could probably get close enough with a Tyros 4/S-950, KORG, Audya, Etc units.. to many of the sounds heard in this video...just sayin' whats all the fuss?

But you could never get the real time comtroll over the sounds, thats what you get with all thos knobs on the fromt side.

For me more brands should make that format of stage piano.... They are perfect underground for your arranger, A setup like this makes 3 keyboard setups possible again... And 2 keyboard setups verry accesible, espescially to all those former organ players enjoying more keybeds/manuals

Lugging 3 KBs to gigs ?. sounds like 1965 all over again,... lol

How about finally realising that not everyone gigs on these boards... I dare say the majorrity of people does not gig, yet you as allways seem unable to place yourself in someone elses position, i think i told you thisabout ten times know, yet you allways come with this... Not everything thats important to you is important to others..

As Bachus says above, there is a lot of real time control on the panel, which, coming from an analog synth background, I really like having.

Also, as Bachus said above, not everyone is going to use these instruments out gigging, but, if needed, this piano wouldn't be all that hard to gig with, plus the Tyros4 would sit on top, negating the need for a double stand.

When gigging, I always allow lots of time for setting up, and I never book more than one gig per day...I just make sure I charge enough so that one gig suffices.

This piano would be a terrific controller for the Tyros4 as well as being a separate lower manual, with obvious room beneath for bass pedals if necessary. I'm primarily interested in this keyboard as one which will be set up in my apartment (we already have a digital piano in the studio) for working on piano based pieces.

Plus, I think it looks really cool! Very much like the love child of an affair between a Fender Rhodes and a Wurlitzer EP-200.

Ian

I could see using it in a studio for recording... or a big stage show venue...but for in and out everyday gigging an arranger KB is more then enough...

this guy disagrees with you even on the gigging part...

Which nursing home is that?

The last time I saw someone with that kind of setup as at Carnegie Hall, a guy who was with Harry Belefonte's band. It took him an hour to set up his gear alone, and while he put on one Hell of a show, the very first thing I said to myself, is he could have done the same thing with a single, arranger keyboard and some registrations.

Bachus, not everyone is a full-time, on-stage performer, that's for sure. However, there are a lot of wannabees out there - that I can guarantee you. Home players, for the most part, do not have actual studios - they merely set up their keyboards in some corner of the den or family room and enjoy it's many attributes. As for a dedicated studio, one that is sound-proofed, a room that has been wired for sound devices, plus a separate control room, I seriously doubt that there is more than a half-dozen folks on this forum that has a REAL studio. Yeah, they call their offices studies, or the spare corner of the bedroom a studio, but in reality, having worked in a REAL studio, the expense of putting one in is insanely high. If you can do it for under $20,000 US you should feel very fortunate. I have a nephew that makes his living with his recording studio - he has nearly $50,000 tied up in it and still spending. Some of his vocal mics were over $1,200 each, which is more than the cost of some keyboards. I really don't see the need for that in this situation, but maybe there's something I'm missing.

Good luck,

Gary

I'm pretty lucky having easy access to a professionally set up studio which has some excellent gear in it, plus, I can work in my apartment with the arranger (and anything else I may add) as all my recording work is done through headphones (with playback on a set of Yamaha monitors if needed) and recorded direct to the Tyros4's HD and then sent to PC so all is in the digital domain.

I don't use microphones at home as my work is all instrumental so I don't need soundproofing...just a nice comfortable chair and a pot of tea on the stove.

I suspect most home recording is done the same way; in the digital domain. However, it's also easy to turn a closet into an isolation booth for vocals if necessary...I've seen some real neat ideas and setups over the years.

Studios get pricey when booths are needed for drum kits, or acoustic instruments like grand pianos...also mic'ing Leslie cabinets, and guitar amps requires a certain degree of isolation.

Ian