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#399694 - 02/19/15 07:56 PM
Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great!
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Yes, I would rate the DSF strings first and the Roland SRX 04 second, maybe on a par with Garritan GPO Lite, depending on which samples in detail you need. The DSF provide more small and medium sections, while the SRX 04 also have samples of a big ensemble (which I used in my Adagio for Strings 'vast strings' version). Garritan has good solo strings (however with strong sampled vibrato, a matter of taste) and only one rather big section sample, which is partly very realistic, but odd in some low ranges and with a vibrato I don't like too much in the high range. So that's a matter of taste, too. I wouldn't rate the Integra SuperNatural strings too high. Newer doesn't always mean better. The SN-A sections are good, but a bit 'nasal', to me they are not better than the SRX 04, except the marcato version is good and quite realistic for fast movements. The SuperNatural solo strings are not ideal, I like the cello, but I haven't achieved realistic results forming a small ensemble with them yet. They don't have a sampled vibrato, so either you have a slightly artificial sounding vibrato, or none at all, which sounds a bit odd for solo strings, too. I did Bach's Air with a combination of SRX 04 and SN-A solo strings and deleted it from Youtube again, because the 'only SRX 04' version sounded more realistic. Listen to this official Roland demo of the SN-A violin - the attack is great, but the long tones with vibrato - IMO not realistic: https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/sna0189?in=rolandcom/sets/201208-snatThat's all subjectiv of course. I'll come back to the other orchestral sounds later. Hi Rosetree, I was just wondering if you have a favorite for best orchestral brass, woodwinds and choir (Garritan or some other sound library for the Yamaha Motif XF, or perhaps the Integra-7 or other gear). Thanks in advance.
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#399717 - 02/20/15 09:11 AM
Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great!
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Hi Mike, for orchestral brass, I rate the Roland SRX 10 best so far. It has a C-trumpet section that sounds 100% real. The trombones are realistic, too, only a bit low-volume and soft, which you can compensate by leveling the other sounds. The French horns are very realistic, too, as are the beautiful muted trumpet and trombone sections. Official demo: https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensembleIn my opinion, some of the Korg M3 brass expansion sounds were equally realistic, the French horns even a bit more dynamic. (However, there were a few so-so trumpet sections in it, too, the bigband sections were not so good). https://soundcloud.com/korg/s008-f-horn-heroics-ex1?in=korg/sets/m3-xpanded-demosGarritan has a very good classical solo trumpet (recently praised by a pro trumpet player in my Youtube videos) and some good sections, but I didn't like them as much as the SRX10. IMO some of the preset Yamaha Motif XS/XF/MoXF brass sections are really good, too (e.g. medium brass section), but in the direct comparison they can't beat the SRX10 C-trumpets. So, for brass maybe: 1. Roland SRX 10 2. Korg M3 brass expansion (Kronos will be at least as good) 3. Garritan GPO Lite / Yamaha Motif XF presets For classical woodwinds (Clarinet, Oboe, Flute, English Horn), I like the Garritan woodwinds a lot, but I was even more fascinated by the Korg M3 woodwinds expansion. I rate the Motif preset woodwinds quite good, but not top. The Integra SuperNatural woodwinds are very good except if you use vibrato, which is again not sampled, but artificially created. The Integra's PCM woodwinds (especially SRX06) are good, but their age and limited wave data doesn't allow real highlights. So in summary for woodwinds (except sax): 1. Korg M3 woodwind expansion 2. Garritan GPO Lite 3. Integra SN-A woodwinds + SRX06 woodwinds combined 4. Yamaha Motif XF/MoXF Regarding choirs, I don't use them much in the MoXF, and I am very happy with the excellent, even if old, choirs of the Roland SRX06, and also the SuperNatural choirs of the Integra. Everything subjective of course! Hope it helps.
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#399729 - 02/20/15 11:46 AM
Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great!
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Hi Mike, for orchestral brass, I rate the Roland SRX 10 best so far. It has a C-trumpet section that sounds 100% real. The trombones are realistic, too, only a bit low-volume and soft, which you can compensate by leveling the other sounds. The French horns are very realistic, too, as are the beautiful muted trumpet and trombone sections. Official demo: https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensembleIn my opinion, some of the Korg M3 brass expansion sounds were equally realistic, the French horns even a bit more dynamic. (However, there were a few so-so trumpet sections in it, too, the bigband sections were not so good). https://soundcloud.com/korg/s008-f-horn-heroics-ex1?in=korg/sets/m3-xpanded-demosGarritan has a very good classical solo trumpet (recently praised by a pro trumpet player in my Youtube videos) and some good sections, but I didn't like them as much as the SRX10. IMO some of the preset Yamaha Motif XS/XF/MoXF brass sections are really good, too (e.g. medium brass section), but in the direct comparison they can't beat the SRX10 C-trumpets. So, for brass maybe: 1. Roland SRX 10 2. Korg M3 brass expansion (Kronos will be at least as good) 3. Garritan GPO Lite / Yamaha Motif XF presets For classical woodwinds (Clarinet, Oboe, Flute, English Horn), I like the Garritan woodwinds a lot, but I was even more fascinated by the Korg M3 woodwinds expansion. I rate the Motif preset woodwinds quite good, but not top. The Integra SuperNatural woodwinds are very good except if you use vibrato, which is again not sampled, but artificially created. The Integra's PCM woodwinds (especially SRX06) are good, but their age and limited wave data doesn't allow real highlights. So in summary for woodwinds (except sax): 1. Korg M3 woodwind expansion 2. Garritan GPO Lite 3. Integra SN-A woodwinds + SRX06 woodwinds combined 4. Yamaha Motif XF/MoXF Regarding choirs, I don't use them much in the MoXF, and I am very happy with the excellent, even if old, choirs of the Roland SRX06, and also the SuperNatural choirs of the Integra. Everything subjective of course! Hope it helps. Hi Rosetree, I just came in from shoveling lots of snow (in -30 temperature with wind), and as I usually do, I check Synthzone before doing anything else, and was very happy to see your detailed answer! I wrote down on paper all your answers for future reference (when it comes time to buy more gear and sound libraries). I highly value your opinion, because you know from first-hand experience how all this gear sounds, and also because I like the same type of music (baroque) and am interested in the same sounds you are.Thank you for taking the time to answer in such a precise and methodical way. I haven't been able to find too many others who love to play Baroque and Classical music using electronic instruments, so I always look forward to hearing new pieces from you. From all the online demos I've heard so far, I agree with your conclusions. Now, I need to figure out if the Kurzweil Pc3 series of keyboards are even better than the above. Thanks again for all your help! Mike
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