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#399391 - 02/10/15 11:51 AM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: Bachus]
Stein67 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bachus


You need to try it for yourself... in the end noboddy can know what kind of feel you like and whats acceptable for your standards..


Unfortunately I can't get trying it at the minute. I asked on here but I have read plenty of other opinions too. Pretty much unanimous too that the PX5S has a superior keybed. I'm sure the MOXF8 has a decent keybed and a lovely workstation, especially for the money, but I was just wondering what other users thought. I have the MOX6 and that'll do for the time being in conjunction with the PX5S for my live band rig......and the PX5S will also be fine for my home studio work, mainly using VSTs.


Edited by Stein67 (02/10/15 11:52 AM)

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#399409 - 02/10/15 03:48 PM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: ]
rosetree
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I forgot to warn you, should anyone have a MoXF and think about buying the DSF string library: Don't buy it on motifator.com! They charge twice as much as if you buy from DSF directly (at least it was like that some months ago)!

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#399418 - 02/10/15 09:34 PM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
I forgot to warn you, should anyone have a MoXF and think about buying the DSF string library: Don't buy it on motifator.com! They charge twice as much as if you buy from DSF directly (at least it was like that some months ago)!


Thanks, that would be a gigantic price difference...
But in general its allways good to compare prices
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#399694 - 02/19/15 06:56 PM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
Yes, I would rate the DSF strings first and the Roland SRX 04 second, maybe on a par with Garritan GPO Lite, depending on which samples in detail you need. The DSF provide more small and medium sections, while the SRX 04 also have samples of a big ensemble (which I used in my Adagio for Strings 'vast strings' version). Garritan has good solo strings (however with strong sampled vibrato, a matter of taste) and only one rather big section sample, which is partly very realistic, but odd in some low ranges and with a vibrato I don't like too much in the high range. So that's a matter of taste, too.
I wouldn't rate the Integra SuperNatural strings too high. Newer doesn't always mean better. The SN-A sections are good, but a bit 'nasal', to me they are not better than the SRX 04, except the marcato version is good and quite realistic for fast movements. The SuperNatural solo strings are not ideal, I like the cello, but I haven't achieved realistic results forming a small ensemble with them yet. They don't have a sampled vibrato, so either you have a slightly artificial sounding vibrato, or none at all, which sounds a bit odd for solo strings, too. I did Bach's Air with a combination of SRX 04 and SN-A solo strings and deleted it from Youtube again, because the 'only SRX 04' version sounded more realistic.
Listen to this official Roland demo of the SN-A violin - the attack is great, but the long tones with vibrato - IMO not realistic:
https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/sna0189?in=rolandcom/sets/201208-snat

That's all subjectiv of course. I'll come back to the other orchestral sounds later.
Hi Rosetree, I was just wondering if you have a favorite for best orchestral brass, woodwinds and choir (Garritan or some other sound library for the Yamaha Motif XF, or perhaps the Integra-7 or other gear). Thanks in advance. smile
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#399717 - 02/20/15 08:11 AM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: ]
rosetree
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Hi Mike, for orchestral brass, I rate the Roland SRX 10 best so far. It has a C-trumpet section that sounds 100% real. The trombones are realistic, too, only a bit low-volume and soft, which you can compensate by leveling the other sounds. The French horns are very realistic, too, as are the beautiful muted trumpet and trombone sections.
Official demo:
https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensemble

In my opinion, some of the Korg M3 brass expansion sounds were equally realistic, the French horns even a bit more dynamic. (However, there were a few so-so trumpet sections in it, too, the bigband sections were not so good).
https://soundcloud.com/korg/s008-f-horn-heroics-ex1?in=korg/sets/m3-xpanded-demos
Garritan has a very good classical solo trumpet (recently praised by a pro trumpet player in my Youtube videos) and some good sections, but I didn't like them as much as the SRX10.
IMO some of the preset Yamaha Motif XS/XF/MoXF brass sections are really good, too (e.g. medium brass section), but in the direct comparison they can't beat the SRX10 C-trumpets.
So, for brass maybe:
1. Roland SRX 10
2. Korg M3 brass expansion (Kronos will be at least as good)
3. Garritan GPO Lite / Yamaha Motif XF presets

For classical woodwinds (Clarinet, Oboe, Flute, English Horn), I like the Garritan woodwinds a lot, but I was even more fascinated by the Korg M3 woodwinds expansion. I rate the Motif preset woodwinds quite good, but not top. The Integra SuperNatural woodwinds are very good except if you use vibrato, which is again not sampled, but artificially created. The Integra's PCM woodwinds (especially SRX06) are good, but their age and limited wave data doesn't allow real highlights.
So in summary for woodwinds (except sax):
1. Korg M3 woodwind expansion
2. Garritan GPO Lite
3. Integra SN-A woodwinds + SRX06 woodwinds combined
4. Yamaha Motif XF/MoXF

Regarding choirs, I don't use them much in the MoXF, and I am very happy with the excellent, even if old, choirs of the Roland SRX06, and also the SuperNatural choirs of the Integra.

Everything subjective of course! Hope it helps.


Edited by rosetree (02/20/15 08:13 AM)

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#399727 - 02/20/15 10:30 AM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: ]
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If you want the best orchestral sounds

https://vsl.co.at/en or
http://www.soundsonline-europe.com/

A number of VSL samples are also incorporated in NI Kontakt 5 & Komplete 10

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/bundles/komplete-10/

Enjoy

Bill
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#399729 - 02/20/15 10:46 AM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: ]
Mikem Offline
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Registered: 08/12/14
Posts: 917
Loc: Quebec, Canada
Originally Posted By: rosetree
Hi Mike, for orchestral brass, I rate the Roland SRX 10 best so far. It has a C-trumpet section that sounds 100% real. The trombones are realistic, too, only a bit low-volume and soft, which you can compensate by leveling the other sounds. The French horns are very realistic, too, as are the beautiful muted trumpet and trombone sections.
Official demo:
https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensemble

In my opinion, some of the Korg M3 brass expansion sounds were equally realistic, the French horns even a bit more dynamic. (However, there were a few so-so trumpet sections in it, too, the bigband sections were not so good).
https://soundcloud.com/korg/s008-f-horn-heroics-ex1?in=korg/sets/m3-xpanded-demos
Garritan has a very good classical solo trumpet (recently praised by a pro trumpet player in my Youtube videos) and some good sections, but I didn't like them as much as the SRX10.
IMO some of the preset Yamaha Motif XS/XF/MoXF brass sections are really good, too (e.g. medium brass section), but in the direct comparison they can't beat the SRX10 C-trumpets.
So, for brass maybe:
1. Roland SRX 10
2. Korg M3 brass expansion (Kronos will be at least as good)
3. Garritan GPO Lite / Yamaha Motif XF presets

For classical woodwinds (Clarinet, Oboe, Flute, English Horn), I like the Garritan woodwinds a lot, but I was even more fascinated by the Korg M3 woodwinds expansion. I rate the Motif preset woodwinds quite good, but not top. The Integra SuperNatural woodwinds are very good except if you use vibrato, which is again not sampled, but artificially created. The Integra's PCM woodwinds (especially SRX06) are good, but their age and limited wave data doesn't allow real highlights.
So in summary for woodwinds (except sax):
1. Korg M3 woodwind expansion
2. Garritan GPO Lite
3. Integra SN-A woodwinds + SRX06 woodwinds combined
4. Yamaha Motif XF/MoXF

Regarding choirs, I don't use them much in the MoXF, and I am very happy with the excellent, even if old, choirs of the Roland SRX06, and also the SuperNatural choirs of the Integra.

Everything subjective of course! Hope it helps.



Hi Rosetree,

I just came in from shoveling lots of snow (in -30 temperature with wind), and as I usually do, I check Synthzone before doing anything else, and was very happy to see your detailed answer! I wrote down on paper all your answers for future reference (when it comes time to buy more gear and sound libraries).

I highly value your opinion, because you know from first-hand experience how all this gear sounds, and also because I like the same type of music (baroque) and am interested in the same sounds you are.Thank you for taking the time to answer in such a precise and methodical way. I haven't been able to find too many others who love to play Baroque and Classical music using electronic instruments, so I always look forward to hearing new pieces from you.

From all the online demos I've heard so far, I agree with your
conclusions. Now, I need to figure out if the Kurzweil Pc3 series of keyboards are even better than the above.

Thanks again for all your help! smile

Mike
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#399741 - 02/20/15 01:35 PM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: abacus]
Mikem Offline
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Registered: 08/12/14
Posts: 917
Loc: Quebec, Canada
Originally Posted By: abacus
If you want the best orchestral sounds

https://vsl.co.at/en or
http://www.soundsonline-europe.com/

A number of VSL samples are also incorporated in NI Kontakt 5 & Komplete 10

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/bundles/komplete-10/

Enjoy

Bill


Thanks for the links! These VSTs do indeed sound great, but I will stick with hardware. I don't want to get into computers....I'm extremely non-tech savvy. smile
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#399826 - 02/23/15 05:05 AM Re: DSF Symphonic Strings for Motif & MoxF - great! [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/20/05
Posts: 98
Loc: Lehigh Acres, Fl USA
I have both the PX5S and the MOXF8 and I find the keyboard on both instruments to be good. I would rate the PX5S keybed as a little better, but I am perfectly happy with MOXF8. Plus you get so much for your money with the MOXF. Compared to all the old spinets that I have played in my life, most all high end keyboards do well in the keybed area. Just my opinion.

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