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#417272 - 02/23/16 04:09 PM ROLAND E A7
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#417277 - 02/23/16 05:47 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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As I said, the brass sounds are compressed when compared to the BK-9!
The keybed is much worse, there are no supernatural sounds (SN-A piano and trumpet are nice in the BK-9!), and there is no chord sequencer.

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#417287 - 02/23/16 07:07 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
As I said, the brass sounds are compressed when compared to the BK-9!
The keybed is much worse, there are no supernatural sounds (SN-A piano and trumpet are nice in the BK-9!), and there is no chord sequencer.


You should compare it to the bk-5... At best..
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#417288 - 02/23/16 08:16 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Or maybe compared to Casio Mz X500?

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#417299 - 02/24/16 04:14 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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#417303 - 02/24/16 07:24 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: mirza]
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#417309 - 02/24/16 07:40 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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These sound quite good!
As do some piano and strings demos.
Comparing it with a Casio is an insult. I think Roland put in very mixed quality here, and as they squeezed in such a vast number of sounds, they obviously chose to compress some of them like brass, but not all.
I guess all in all it is better and more versatile than the BK-5 (and it costs much more than the BK-5), but as I said you can't compare it with the BK-9.

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#417311 - 02/24/16 07:50 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
These sound quite good!
As do some piano and strings demos.
Comparing it with a Casio is an insult. I think Roland put in very mixed quality here, and as they squeezed in such a vast number of sounds, they obviously chose to compress some of them like brass, but not all.
I guess all in all it is better and more versatile than the BK-5 (and it costs much more than the BK-5), but as I said you can't compare it with the BK-9.


I dont think the E A7 was made in Italy?

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#417313 - 02/24/16 08:01 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Of course not, Roland Europe doesn't exist any more, there are no Roland factories in Europe. Just sales subsidiaries.
But the BK models except BK-9 were already manufactured in China. My BK-7m packaging says "designed in Italy, made in China".

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#417314 - 02/24/16 08:03 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
Of course not, Roland Europe doesn't exist any more, there are no Roland factories in Europe. Just sales subsidiaries.
But the BK models except BK-9 were already manufactured in China. My BK-7m packaging says "designed in Italy, made in China".


That's good to know....at a $1299.00 us price rand you cant go wrong...it sounds terriffic especially the organs and with speakers buttons, sliders, etc, galore!


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#417318 - 02/24/16 09:04 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
These sound quite good!
As do some piano and strings demos.
Comparing it with a Casio is an insult. I think Roland put in very mixed quality here, and as they squeezed in such a vast number of sounds, they obviously chose to compress some of them like brass, but not all.
I guess all in all it is better and more versatile than the BK-5 (and it costs much more than the BK-5), but as I said you can't compare it with the BK-9.


Casio has come a long way, mostly where piano sounds and synth sounds are concerned.

Maybe teh MZ-X which is in the same price range as the E-A7 but blows it away when it comes to functionallity will comvince soundwise. we have to hear them next to eachother to hear the difference..

I dont see hte E-A7 as a step up from the BK series, merely a replacement build in Japan instead of in Italy..

Offcourse it sounds okay, its a Roland afterall, and if you allways liked the Roland sound, there is no reason not to like the E-A7's sound
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#417328 - 02/24/16 11:02 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Many people on this forum consider Casio still as a toy. I know better because I am not brand biased. I don,t care if it is a Yamaha, Roland , korg or whatever brand as it sound good and does what I want I am interested in buying it. Casio has great products at the moment and many pros agree with me. Look how many pros use the Casio px-5s.

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#417329 - 02/24/16 11:11 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
Casio has great products at the moment and many pros agree with me. Look how many pros use the Casio px-5s.






Edited by Dnj (02/24/16 11:13 AM)

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#417331 - 02/24/16 11:23 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Originally Posted By: FransN
Casio has great products at the moment and many pros agree with me. Look how many pros use the Casio px-5s.




The biggest advantage of the PX-5S is his great price with its weight at only 11 kg... you get good piano action, some nice piano sounds, great organs, strings, some of the best Epiano's and a plethora of usefull synth sounds.. 256 voice polyphony and you can layer up to 14 sounds over the keyboard and have arpeggio's for all of them if you want...

On top of that 8 phrases and 8 scenes vor variations..

The PX-5S is a beast, i like it a lot even despite its uggly white color. You can not get any better at only €800
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#417332 - 02/24/16 11:30 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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But Casio has a long way to go to be competitive in the Arranger KB market again....
I for one hope they do in the future somehow...we need more players in the game..

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#417336 - 02/24/16 12:28 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
But Casio has a long way to go to be competitive in the Arranger KB market again....
I for one hope they do in the future somehow...we need more players in the game..


Lets first wayt and see how competitive this new MZ-x 500 is...

And then we will have this discussion about how much ground casio still has to make up..


Edited by Bachus (02/24/16 12:29 PM)
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#417388 - 02/25/16 11:28 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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7 assignable switches very useful.. cool2

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#417400 - 02/25/16 04:40 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj


7 assignable switches very useful.. cool2



He has a funny American accent. Maybe he's from the South.
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#417401 - 02/25/16 05:12 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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There are certainly some interesting features on the Roland E-A7 arranger...
and the price is right too.

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#417423 - 02/26/16 12:44 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Why 2 separate screens ? Navigation sucks on Roland arrangers IMO.
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#417424 - 02/26/16 01:47 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: DanO1]
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Originally Posted By: DanO1
Why 2 separate screens ? Navigation sucks on Roland arrangers IMO.


Dan...I think we should hear from some BK9/E A7 SZ players on the attributes of the double screen and or coupled with an iPad also pro/con?

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#417438 - 02/26/16 09:32 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Originally Posted By: DanO1
Why 2 separate screens ? Navigation sucks on Roland arrangers IMO.


Dan...I think we should hear from some BK9/E A7 SZ players on the attributes of the double screen and or coupled with an iPad also pro/con?


I agree with you, you can not have an indepth opinion on this unless you atleast spend many hours playing with this..

I personally can see the advantage of having sepperate screen for sounds and styles..
What i dont understand is why they stpped away from a touchscreen, the G70 had a topknotch touchscreen solution...
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#417745 - 03/02/16 05:35 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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I have the BK-9 and E-A7 a the moment and have to say that the BK-9 is still a superior board sound-wise - more sounds, MFX etc. However, the E-A7 excels when it comes to navigation and accessing user content. The dual screen is fantastic on the E-A7 due to abundance of buttons (sort of like on Yamaha), but a real pain on BK-9 due to the stupid dial and no ENTER/ CONFIRM button. Now the BK-9 has the advantage of using the IPAD/apps, but where they messed up is the lack of USER Content access through the apps. For the money, both of these boards are phenomenal and can sound like any of the TOTL arrangers with little tweaking. Oh, the accordion sounds on the E-A7 are out of this world.

Let me know if anybody needs a direct comparison of any features while I still have both.

Goran

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#417747 - 03/02/16 06:01 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: Dnj]
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Goran good report thanx

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#417762 - 03/03/16 01:45 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: hitman]
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Originally Posted By: hitman
I have the BK-9 and E-A7 a the moment and have to say that the BK-9 is still a superior board sound-wise - more sounds, MFX etc. However, the E-A7 excels when it comes to navigation and accessing user content. The dual screen is fantastic on the E-A7 due to abundance of buttons (sort of like on Yamaha), but a real pain on BK-9 due to the stupid dial and no ENTER/ CONFIRM button. Now the BK-9 has the advantage of using the IPAD/apps, but where they messed up is the lack of USER Content access through the apps. For the money, both of these boards are phenomenal and can sound like any of the TOTL arrangers with little tweaking. Oh, the accordion sounds on the E-A7 are out of this world.

Let me know if anybody needs a direct comparison of any features while I still have both.

Goran


Thats the first real musicians comparisson i see on the both...

I sing bring on the ea-9, with the full soundset of the Integra 7, some livesets (RD800 and Jupiter 50/80 have livesets, the once in the Jupiter can also be set to function like the ensembles in Tyros 5), the FA series arpegiator and two color touchscreens...

And ROland has a new TOTL arranger at half the price of a Tyros 5..
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#417783 - 03/03/16 11:09 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: hitman]
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Does the BK-09 dial have a push button select underneath the dial? In other words spin the dial then press the dial to confirm the selection.

I don't have a BK-9 so I can't confirm. Just a thought.
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#417807 - 03/03/16 06:51 PM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: salsaman]
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Salsaman, the BK-9 does not have a select button - you have to push the dial down to do that. Now, they do have a select button right besides the dial, but it only switches between the two screens - I imagine a simple OS update could enable the button to act as ENTER/ CONFIRM. Furthermore, the dial can be touchy when pushing down and you have to kind of use 2 fingers to keep it centered in order not to change any values while confirming.

to elaborate on the user content access (styles etc.), my biggest gripe is that once you select a user style and exit the folder, upon return to choose another style you start at the top of the list and not from the last selected style. This is so counter productive and involves a lot of scrolling depending on the number of items contained in the folder. I guess they really wanted you to use performances for everything.

Despite everything, the keybed on the BK-9 is is excellent in my opinion and makes it worth putting up with the shortcomings. However, I still prefer the little E-A7's buttons and accessibility to menus and options. As of right now, I think I am going to keep both.


Edited by hitman (03/03/16 06:57 PM)

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#417822 - 03/04/16 07:03 AM Re: ROLAND E A7 [Re: hitman]
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Originally Posted By: hitman
Salsaman, the BK-9 does not have a select button - you have to push the dial down to do that. Now, they do have a select button right besides the dial, but it only switches between the two screens - I imagine a simple OS update could enable the button to act as ENTER/ CONFIRM. Furthermore, the dial can be touchy when pushing down and you have to kind of use 2 fingers to keep it centered in order not to change any values while confirming.

to elaborate on the user content access (styles etc.), my biggest gripe is that once you select a user style and exit the folder, upon return to choose another style you start at the top of the list and not from the last selected style. This is so counter productive and involves a lot of scrolling depending on the number of items contained in the folder. I guess they really wanted you to use performances for everything.

Despite everything, the keybed on the BK-9 is is excellent in my opinion and makes it worth putting up with the shortcomings. However, I still prefer the little E-A7's buttons and accessibility to menus and options. As of right now, I think I am going to keep both.


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