On Saturday I made a multi-track recording, inspired by Klaus Doldinger's 80th birthday, it's the beginning of the Tatort TV theme (German criminal series with a long tradition).

It's still a raw version, I played each track manually on my Roland/Cakewalk A-300pro, connected to the Integra-7. Also the drum track.

Take a listen especially to the drums. As I said, it's still a raw version, but don't the drums sound very lively and real already? It's done with the Integra SuperNatural 'Session' drum set. If all arranger styles came with midi drums recorded manually like this, honestly I don't see the point of audio drums (which you can't edit). I think the problem of many midi styles is just that they were created by a computer and not midi-recorded by a human being on a keyboard or on pads.

Drums starting at 0:19:

https://soundcloud.com/rorosetree/tatort...7-arrnach-gehor

I just heard it, and the drums do indeed sound real and "live". You sure make the Integra-7 sound good!

How much more real can they make the drums when they already sound this good? I don't know.

I think it sounds like a commercial film score as it is. Very nice work. As far as audio drums are concerned, I think Roland and Korg have great tight sounding drums/bass in their styles. My Audya is also very good with live drums and guitar. Personally, it depends what venue I am playing. For in your face dance music, I would take the Audya, but for others, Roland pa4X and Yamaha S970 good as well.
Bernie

Lovely performance.. Great drums...

I never liked how audio drums take away from arrangers, you cant create them yourself, you cant edit them, and they are static...

The way to create high end drums is 3 fold....

- use a real drummer and a midi drumset...
- use round robbin for samples...
- each drum sound requires its own effects... Espescially for certain kinds of modern music...

(Using quantize kills the dynamic of drums)


There are some very very nice drum vsts, that offer high quallity.. But also the Roland V-drums are incredible and feel so live...

I think audo drums are just a waste of MB in a keyboard. Especially the way Yamaha does it. So backward. You can't do anything with them. We need bigger and better drum samples and a good drums engine where you can mix elements directly in the style you use. I think Yamaha is the worst when it comes to that. I am glad Korg is moving forward with their unlooped drum samples and a great drum mixer.Even little Roland Ea7 did fantastic job with this feature.

BTW , I to like your drum recording. Integra has some really good tools for natural sounding drums.
Here is example of DMX drums for EA7. Watch through the video.

[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/ujQ5DKSIGVs[/video] [video:youtube][/video]

And one more.

https://youtu.be/Wv4FQ_JuYYY

I, and my previous audiences, absolutely love the sound and quality of the audio styles that Yamaha has introduced in its more recent PSR series of arranger keyboards. The only unfortunate thing I discovered is that you cannot record the audio styles (which use live drums) using the onboard USB recorder. The reason being I believe is because the onboard recorder/player is utilized for the audio style playback and both recording and playback cannot not be done simultaneously using the same device, which makes perfectly good sense. As for the editing, well, I'll leave that to Yamaha, whom seems to do an outstanding job in this respect.

Gary

Thank you, Bernie, Mike and Bachus. It is an extremely tough tune with lots of complex jazz chords.

As most of you, I think the cost of losing editability is much too high compared to the tiny difference in realism of the drums.
If you have a purely consumptive attitude with respect to the sound content and only want to use what the manufacturer has prepared and edit nothing, then audio drums might be a good way to go, but I think many players do want to be able to change things.
Audio drums are another step of turning an arranger more into a mere instrumental playback machine for singers.

I think all manufacturers agree that when it comes to authenticity, audio drums can't be beat. IMO we need audio drums.

When I was demonstrating for Ketron in 2000 - 2001 - 2003 the SD1 was introduced as having "live drums". By far the Ketron SD1 drum were the most impressive to many artist. To this day I have not heard a keyboard with better drums.

Every song I recorded would not be the same if I did not have the authentic drums.


https://www.reverbnation.com/control_room/artist/962486/songs


PS. I do not care if you like the song.

KETRON's approach is pretty unique and high tech... which does allow for Playback and Recording of the entire performance (including AUDIO DRUMS) onto the storage device! This means you can use a style that utilizes Audio drums, Audio bass and Audio Guitars, play along or sing as well and record everything to either a wave or MP3 file!

With the Audio elements being streamed from the hard/SS drive, very little memory is needed on board to process them.

As to the question of if you need Audio Drums or not, the answer lies in what you have and where you want to be with it. If a manufacturer has solid drum kit samples that can be triggered via midi to create a great drum set, then Audio drums are less likely to get them excited (but will still be a great add on of course) as compared to one whose midi drum kits are sub par ... adding Audio drums to such an instrument will really make it shine. Now consider having great midi drum kits PLUS Audio drums (like AUDYA/SD9), and you're in a class of your own.