I have been wondering for some time why these organ/"double manuall arrangers" arent way more popular...

There was the Wersi Abacus Pro, and now there is the the Wersi Pegasus Wing Pro(2x76 keys) and the Böhm overture stage... And the Roland Combo AT 350c( which probably is Rolands last entry in this type of instruments)

There are also quite some people building one based on a tyros with a sepperate lowerkeyboard and midi basspedals in a selfbuild wooden stand...

And then there are some people i know using a Nord C2D or Crumar in combination with a module (ketron or Roland or Varranger) to archieve the same result as a Combo Entertainer Organ.


With mobile organs in a revival (Hammond, Nord, Crumar and some more) it kind of bugs me why none of the major companies is releasing a high end Mobile combo entertainer organ.

Actually the only high end is the Böhm overture Stage (Wersi hasnt anounced a mobile version of the OAX)

The reason they are not more popular is the high prices that
they get for these machines. 20 and 30 plus thousand dollars
Add the bulk and pedals that most dont know how to use.
They had there day and were great entertainers but the keyboards are here, light and easy to transport plus 4 or 5 thousand
for the top of the line. Just saying, Lloyd
PS: I have had several organs and speakers and know what it is
like to move them. I love the keyboards of today.

Bacchus
You answered your own question. Easier and cheaper to sell a single Manuel which is good for home or pro use. Want a second keyboard or pedals , that's what Midi is for.
I do it all the time with myBK9. For gigs just the BK9 ,, for home I use the bass pedals.

High price... yes... but then... Why?
Only because these companies try to make them exclusive...
And.. most of those people can not afford that...
That is very true...

But you can get a Crumar Mojo (or even better a GSI DMC122 with Gemini module for about €2000 as wel as a Ketron SD40 module for about the same price, audya4 module is €2500) ..

if one combined both these in a single instrument... you would have something better sounding and way cheaper then these current high end instruments.. at about the price of a Tyros5/PA4x...

Same goes for self build Tyros5 organs.. add a few 100 euros's and you have the same functionallity if those expensive units... Isnt it the price that makes them unpopular?


Who wouldnt like to play a duall manuall Tyros5 or PA4x, if they where aproximately the same weight and less then €1000 more exspensive then the current T5? (pedals optional)


Just to make a statement the Crumar mojo build with real wood and metal only is 18kg compared to 16kg for a tyros5..




This is the €1900 GSI DMC with build in Gemini module ... just add a arranger module inside and go

I think my wife would feel blessed if i could trade in all the junk in my music room for just a single instrument that can do it all

76 synth keys upper, 76 weighted piano keys lower... Maybe ketron will do it? All they need to do is talk to their neighbours of GSI/Crumar (which is one company)...

There is also the new Organ brand Bemore ... which may create something for my music room.. high end innovative stuff.. yet at the more traditionall organ prices .. maybe just a little chaeaper then Bohm or Wersi...


Well, someone can allways dream.. probably its never going to happen.. but who knows?


Almost bought a used Wersi abacus last month or so duall manuall for about €2k.. but it looked really worn out, and there will probably not be a kit for upgrading it to OAX(the latest Wersi engine)

(76 synth keys upper, 76 weighted piano keys lower...

Well, someone can allways dream.. probably its never going to happen.. but who knows?)

I don't have to dream, just put my BK9 on top of my Casio Privia BOOM !

I think you're talking about two different markets. The real organ aficionado is never going to buy a synth (synth meaning any keyboard other than an organ or digital piano) and a synth player is never going to by a traditional organ (or even want one ). Dedicated organ players/buyers want all of their sounds generated by the organ (they want 'organ' brass, not synthesized or sampled brass, no matter how realistic the latter).

I believe today's organs will take advantage of modern technology to overcome the shortcomings of the older instruments, but at their core and in terms of functionality, they will remain in the organ tradition. JMO.

chas

You should read into the main European home organ companies...

Wersi is fully samplebased... Its the most advanced arranger in the world, with build in VST effects and huge DSP power.. Same goes for Bohm and the new Bemore brands... All these organs are in general two manuall arrangers with pedals that can both function as a traditionall organ as well as an arranger.. Or even as a DP... These are allready the high end multifunction instruments i think would fullfill my wishes... Lots of organ power with even native support for hauptwerk... But also pianoteq... Next to organs, to many organ players orchestrall sounds in every nature are very important..




There is a huge difference, and has allways been, between the US and EU organ markets... The US organ market is doing its 4th revival of the Hammond B3... I dont think there is much home organ market left in the US... Overhere in europe, i can see how many older people are moving back from keyboards to modern versions of home organs...


I really think the only thing that keeps many homeplayers from buying a home organ is the price...

The more i think about it, i think the solution is very simple...

Make arrangers that allow you to add a seperate midi lower channel..
Like it works on the Wersi Abacus and pegasus wing arrangers..
This way, everyone can choose to add a lower manuall and pedals..
Its also possible to add a lower manuall on the Tyros5...
But controlling/switching the sounds in real time is near to impossible...

I dont think its possible to add a lower keybed to the pa4x and controll internal sounds...