R U Musically or Technically Challenged Or Both?.....years ago before all this electronic instrument stuff we played our instruments & sang and didn't have to worry about all this technological stuff we have today,....it was fun it was very creative it was making music,....
Today with all these new fangled high tech arranger keyboards, computer driven instruments of every kind you not only have to be a good player but, also a computer scientist also.
Has this effected your playing?....can you deal with it all as it changes so fast? ....do you wish it was easier or just wanna sit down and just play a piano or guitar without worrying about setups, styles, buttons, tweaking, variations, etc, etc, ..?
Not everyone can adapt to it all especially if your "old school" but you try......that's a good thing. Do you stay with what you have comfortably or hope & venture into the future of whats coming all NEW challenges included? and why?....
ok I'm done ranting ........

Donny ... go start a hobby that gets you out of the house! You're on the computer too much!
Stop playing devils advocate so much, and do something FUN!
(you know I love, ya, bud)

I think this IS an arranger forum. Embrace the technology and use it to make music.

I can understand our generation is split between the old ways and new technology wise.
Today's musician has to be both a player and a technician no doubt on stage or at home.
I know people who don't even own a computer or cell phone but can play their asses off...
& that's my point. KORG, Yamaha, Roland, Ketron who cares just freaking play music!!


btw Dave love you too man always see ya soon!!

Dave, I've been trying to get Donny to come down and go sailing for two years - the boat is less than 2 hours from his house - haven't seen hide nor hair of him yet!

Gary

Good topic, Donny. Were talking about "necessary evil", in my world. Daily, I have to use still cameras, motion equipment, computer programming for research, publishing, film editing, monitors, phones, notebooks, all kinds of musical keyboards; even the amplifiers Some with a 100 page book and a requirement for downloads, etc.

If I read every instruction sheet and became competent on every piece of equipment I have to use, I'd NEVER get any work done. there's no end in site.

I have to be satisfied to JUST learn what I have to know to get my work done and leave everything else to a technician who is involved in production but not the creative side.


That leaves me vulnerable and dependent on others.


I don't like that.


Russ

Gary I so appreciate the invite and as you well know I have visited in the past a few times also you & Carol are such gracious hosts,.....but as far as "sailing" some of us aren't cut out for the high seas including me..I get sea sick very quickly its happened many times to me when I played on Cruise ships years ago, or travailing on vacation, etc, & it ain't pretty....seeing your pics and videos is good enough for me to get the feeling of being there,....Flying or Driving I can handle but I just don't have good sea legs, that why I joined the Army in stead of the Navy as a kid.
But, I will venture to see you again when I can for a day of crabs, BBQ, Drinks, and socializing for sure!!

Yes I hear you Russ us OLD DOGS have to learn NEW Tricks all the time weather we like it or not...good luck in your endeavors!

Just want to give a shout out to Bruno, here on the Zone. I was using an android tablet to call up lyrics when needed. The tablet died. Bruno to the rescue.
He introduced me to Onsong, which only works on iPad or iPhone (not a problem for me) and it doesn't require files to be in .pdf format...all mine are .doc.

After creating a set list of registrations on the S-970 with a corresponding set of lyrics on the iPad it provided me the ability to get from one song to the next in two moves.
1. One push of a reg button on Yammie, and 2. A swipe of the finger on the iPad if I needed a lyric for one of the songs in the registrations.

I haven't been using set lists and still won't for a lot of jobs....but when I want to, Bruno's recommendation of Onsong and my custom yammie registrations make it a snap.

Thank you Bruno
Eddie

Eddie why aren't the lyrics synced to the song registrations select song push lyrics button done no tablets etc..

Tried it Donny...including advancing lyrics with footpedal.

#1. It was cumbersome and selecting a 2nd registration in the bank resulted in the text going back to the top. Unsatisfactory.
#2. Font on the iPad much easier to read.
#3. All my lyric files are .doc and no need to convert to .txt
#4. On my iPad lyrics I can drop in colors indicating bridges or other highlights I use as a cue.

All that being said, lyrics embedded in SMS files work very well on the S970. But I don't use much midi. Onsong is the tool that works best for me. Thanks to Bruno.

Dittto!

Personally I use my laptop for everything... For me it can't be beat for multitasking...

I just got my first smartphone, an Android. Now I know I'm technically challenged!

Scary,

Gary

Next thing you know you'll be experimenting with that new-fangled thing called Facebook!

Your Android smart phone is a piece of cake compared to the fancy navigational gear you use on Saturday's Child....or the in depth instructions about Yamaha KBs that you have shared here, the PSR Tutorial and on the phone. Text me...or call to learn how.
Eddie

Nothing Smart about Android... Apple devices are so much easier to get into... Compared to Android, IoS works very intuitive.

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Nothing Smart about Android... Apple devices are so much easier to get into... Compared to Android, IoS works very intuitive.
[/quote] I don't know which one is smarter; Android or IOS, but certainly there are pros and cons with each. As a phone or as a non music tablet, I prefer the Android system. I used both and personally I will not use an iPhone again. A number of years ago I had purchased a few iPads for my elderly relatives so that they could video chat with me. They also liked the idea of reading the Bible in iPad(When the iPad first came out, I read an article about a 100 some year old woman being able to read for the first time in 20 years or so. You can enlarge the fonts!) These older folks outgrew the iPad!!! They were taking pictures and recording videos. They ran out of storage. Certainly I did not expect them to use iTunes or some apps to move files to a PC. My sister in law got "smart," and bought an Android tablet on her own. I told her I would buy one for her, but she did not want to wait. I showed her how to take out the micro SD card and move files to her PC. Very easy, flexible, and quick. Now she does all kinds of fancy things on her Android phone. Well, this is just one example of the open system of Android whereas IOS is a closed system both on the software and hardware levels - down to the IOS cables with built-in chips so that nobody else can make cables for IOS devices unless they pay a fee to Apple. Once again pros and cons even about that, too. The IOS cables and dongles can be very expensive, but because Apple controls even the cable and adapters, they have more quality and security control. Once I had an HDMI dongle for my iPad3. When I moved onto iPad Air 128gb, the dongle no longer worked even through Apple's adapter. That dongle was as much as $40 and Apple made it obsolete very quickly. With their closed system, you are totally at their mercy. If it was a dongle for Android system, it would have been about $4. A case in point; I needed a USB adapter for my iPad2 and iPad3, but I did not want to pay $30 for a little USB adapter. I bought one on eBay for three dollars and twenty cents shipping included. It came all the way from Hong Kong. That thing worked just fine. No issue whatsoever. I used midi and stuff with it. Of course, this was before Apple decided to put chips in their cables so that only Apple or Apple certified cables can work with the iPhone and iPad.

Some years ago I read an article that a teenager in China sold his kidney so that he could buy an iPhone. That's an extreme case, but I'd say those young and some older people waiting in line days before the Apple store sells a new product doesn't seem normal. Martin Lindstrom author of the book Buyology:Truth and Lies about Why We Buy calls it a religion. Once he made a statement that the iPhone is more popular than Samsung phones even when Samsung has better phones (I'd say probably among young people) because Apple created a religion but Samsung has not. There are really fancy expensive Android phones, too, but you always get more machine for the money with Android and there are so many different models and price ranges. I like that as an end user.


Once there were some discussions here on this forum about tablets for music viewing. A person mentioned that if it was mainly for PDF music, Android will work just as well, and a few members talked about their 12, or 13 inch Android table for $150 or something like that. I keep upgrading my iPad for playing sounds, but if I wasn't doing that, I would buy a 12.2 inch Samsung tablet for $300. The iPad Pro can run more than $1,000. I use a bluet ooh page turner with my iPad. Sorry I don't mean to be sarcastic, but what is really dumb is once the bluetooth device is connected (For that matter I hear it happens when a hand held scanner is connected to the IOS device), you no longer have the onscreen keyboard,and you can't type the name of songs you need to look for. I found out that the only way to work around is to "Jailbreak" my iPad and use a free onscreen keyboard program. I used to jailbreak and purchase some very useful utility apps, but it became such a hassle, I no longer jailbreak.

I better stop here but one more; hotels, airliners, and things like that will quote you higher rates if you log in to their web sites from IOS devices. They figure that IOS/Mac devices users are more willing to pay higher prices.

I don't use "i" anything although I've tried a few in the past,...............
but I'm always open to change down the road,....
it's Android Samsung Galaxy & PC all the way for me for now..

I'm an Android fan and user as well.

I use all three; each having their strong and weak points. For loading PDFs, Android is a snap. Windows is needed for my Karaoke and Notation programs, and iPad has it's programs, but I dislike having to go through iTunes, ugh.

ditto.


and all that syncing baloney yuk!!

For years I used Android and Windows. Went to an iPad a couple of years back for Yamaha keyboard apps and because I was teaching.Then I bought an iPhone.

IOS(Apple) is just OK in my book... nothing special. Android/Windows more flexible and less expensive.

In a year, when my contract is up, I'll probably go back to Android and a Windows based tablet...especially if that tablet has a USB connection....iPad missing USB connection which makes the iPad much less useable for me.

Re: technology. I've always been into technology...not great at it...but enjoy it.

My wife, bless her heart, encourages me on keyboards/technology BECAUSE of the learning process. She says its good for my brain.

However, some of my techie friends avoid arrangers because they involve computers and technology is not a strong point for them.

After seeing numerous acts here just play basic and live I'm questioning all the technology we chase. I can do what I need to with my BK9. Just wish I could call up registrations from my IPad. I have some info on midi messages etc. but I'm too lazy to dissect it all. I learn by watching and doing, wish there was a video tutorial for that.
Been getting back to backs piano lately and just took a teaching job at a music store here. More for mental exercise than money.
When I was a technology teacher I used to tell the kids to try a lot of different thing and you will find out what you really need and like. You can't do it all.

Bill ... Best of luck with the new teaching job ... bring the world of music to a whole new generation ...

Thanks Tony
Since retiring I miss working with kids and I'm happy some want to learn real music on a real instrument.
We'll see how it goes. Like I said its for me as well as them.

Bill, these days I play primarily for seniors and believe me it is more for me than it is for them ... but thank God we are able to do what we do ...

Eddie honored me twice by thanking me here on the forum. Wow, but --- When two open-minded musicians meet the learning goes two ways.

After watching Eddie use his IPad with the keyboard I learn two things:
1- Tap the Ipad on the right side brings up the next song in the set.
2- He used Velcro to hold the IPad onto the keyboard. I cut down the music rack to the IPad dimensions and used to support the IPad.

And then ----- I packed up my laptop and put it away.

Thank you Eddie.
John C.