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#431700 - 05/14/17 06:28 AM
Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not?
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I don't think Yamaha will eliminate previous styles because of
the popularity of them in past models. So many "guesses" that
are only "guesses".
The next model will be great and of course we will still have
those who want "this and that". That's what makes this forum
so interesting. Lloyd Price will be a big factor also,"different" then the previous arrangers will be the answer,...will they go high end TOTL or MOTL to sell more units or both.... 61,73,76, or 88 keys & a quality keybed in a smaller lighter overall package something that many players really are concerned about. Just read these posts besides other wanted features,...if Yamaha is listening this time around or not, they would be wise to do so,....upcoming Summer Namm or Winter Namm might give us a peek,..personally I'm proud of myself lately to a hold out biding time playing my Great S970 and just waiting to what what turns up. Honestly I did really enjoy my Korg Pa4x also, a truly great gigging arranger for sure with super features for the live player, yamaha should learn from that..... Hang in there GENOS fans!... 
Edited by Dnj (05/14/17 06:37 AM)
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#431727 - 05/14/17 08:30 PM
Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not?
[Re: Dnj]
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Yes, price will be a factor for me, along with any improvements made----assuming I can or can’t live without them. Meanwhile, the S970 and T5 are working just fine. So, I’m in no hurry. I would prefer lighter weight and improved sound and styles, if that’s possible. But, if that’s all we get, what would that cost? Whenever a new arranger appears, maybe some clever person can analyze the new features, along with the new price, and calculate the approximate cost of each new added feature.
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#431731 - 05/15/17 04:32 AM
Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not?
[Re: J. Larry]
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Yes, price will be a factor for me, along with any improvements made----assuming I can or can’t live without them. Meanwhile, the S970 and T5 are working just fine. So, I’m in no hurry. I would prefer lighter weight and improved sound and styles, if that’s possible. But, if that’s all we get, what would that cost? Whenever a new arranger appears, maybe some clever person can analyze the new features, along with the new price, and calculate the approximate cost of each new added feature. The minute there's a whiff of a NEW Genos or whatever its called release date for Yamaha the resale prices of S970/T5 will plummet to an all time low, be prepared to move & sell fast or keep what you have and buy the new addition to add to your collection if your so inclined. I'm sure Martin harris, Peter Barrtmans, & Michele Voncken are eager to get back on the road touring and demonstration the new GENOS as we speak too. We'll see?
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#431755 - 05/15/17 11:18 AM
Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not?
[Re: Dnj]
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Yes, price will be a factor for me, along with any improvements made----assuming I can or can’t live without them. Meanwhile, the S970 and T5 are working just fine. So, I’m in no hurry. I would prefer lighter weight and improved sound and styles, if that’s possible. But, if that’s all we get, what would that cost? Whenever a new arranger appears, maybe some clever person can analyze the new features, along with the new price, and calculate the approximate cost of each new added feature. The minute there's a whiff of a NEW Genos or whatever its called release date for Yamaha the resale prices of S970/T5 will plummet to an all time low, be prepared to move & sell fast or keep what you have and buy the new addition to add to your collection if your so inclined. I'm sure Martin harris, Peter Barrtmans, & Michele Voncken are eager to get back on the road touring and demonstration the new GENOS as we speak too. We'll see? I know someone that allready sold his T5.. made a really good deal... Bought it new for €3500 and sold it for €3250 after 1 1/2 year of fun... If you combine that with the deal i made on the Pa4x, which i bought for an incredible €2600 but also getting €500 back on a G70 which i was unable to sell above €300 If i decide to go for the Genos, i should be able to get atleast €2200 as trade in for the pa4x (that is, if..) If you have a keen eye for buiseness, you will be able to buy some great instruments and sell them witouth loosing to much money.. espescially if you only play them at home and keep them in mind condition... the trick is choosing the right moment.. Wayting to sell your Tyros5 till the Genos arives in general is not a wise decision financially... but then, who can live witouth a high end arranger?
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#431857 - 05/18/17 01:15 PM
Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not?
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Expectations have rarely been fruitful with Yamaha with their track record. Actually, Yamaha, in the opinion of many, actually has a great track record in fulfilling the requests of players, both home and pro. This is well documented both here on this forum, and others. They may not have acquiesced to all the requested changes, but they would not be in business very long if they followed those guidelines. If you go through the archives and find the Yamaha Listens thread (I believe the title is correct), there is a huge number of requested changes, more than half of which were made by DNJ. Among them, he requested that the PSR series of keyboards be changed back to basic black - they did it. He asked for audio drums and styles, they added them to their already extensive list of midi styles and voices. He asked for a better vocal processor, they provided it. He asked for a better onboard sound system, which was also provided in the upgrades. He asked for unlimited USB storage, which is now standard. He asked for a brighter, clearer display - we now have it. Someone asked for an onboard audio recorder/player so they could record and play wav and MP3 files, which is now standard on most PSR and Tyros models. Donny asked for a change in the shape of the keyboard when he had a T2, which sliced into the carrying case. The shape was changed with the T3. Someone asked for bigger buttons, which were added in all subsequent models. Only a few individuals asked for hammer action, larger keys, which were not added, for obvious reasons - not everyone wants of likes them. There were many, many new additions to the operating system, far too many to list. I don't know of any other manufacturer that has reached out to their consumers in this fashion, and then followed up with many of the changes. As for Yamaha worrying about the competition, I don't think so. They still sell more arranger keyboards and synths than all the others combined. They have been in the musical instrument business for a very long time, they make very high quality instruments, and the demand for their products seems to increase every year. Gary 
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#431860 - 05/18/17 02:27 PM
Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not?
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 03/02/06
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Expectations have rarely been fruitful with Yamaha with their track record. Actually, Yamaha, in the opinion of many, actually has a great track record in fulfilling the requests of players, both home and pro. This is well documented both here on this forum, and others. They may not have acquiesced to all the requested changes, but they would not be in business very long if they followed those guidelines. If you go through the archives and find the Yamaha Listens thread (I believe the title is correct), there is a huge number of requested changes, more than half of which were made by DNJ. Among them, he requested that the PSR series of keyboards be changed back to basic black - they did it. He asked for audio drums and styles, they added them to their already extensive list of midi styles and voices. He asked for a better vocal processor, they provided it. He asked for a better onboard sound system, which was also provided in the upgrades. He asked for unlimited USB storage, which is now standard. He asked for a brighter, clearer display - we now have it. Someone asked for an onboard audio recorder/player so they could record and play wav and MP3 files, which is now standard on most PSR and Tyros models. Donny asked for a change in the shape of the keyboard when he had a T2, which sliced into the carrying case. The shape was changed with the T3. Someone asked for bigger buttons, which were added in all subsequent models. Only a few individuals asked for hammer action, larger keys, which were not added, for obvious reasons - not everyone wants of likes them. There were many, many new additions to the operating system, far too many to list. I don't know of any other manufacturer that has reached out to their consumers in this fashion, and then followed up with many of the changes. As for Yamaha worrying about the competition, I don't think so. They still sell more arranger keyboards and synths than all the others combined. They have been in the musical instrument business for a very long time, they make very high quality instruments, and the demand for their products seems to increase every year. Gary With Yamaha listening you say, i womder what the Genos should bring us.. Because the current TOTL instruments (Tyros 5 and Pa4x) are near perfect from most arranger players views... which shows in the wishlists, everyone seems to want something different... and on psr tutorial forum, there is a huge group of Tyros owners, that dont seem to have anything to wish for left... Sure, i can make a long wishlist... or even a longer list of possible additions.. but then who but me really wants them?
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#431869 - 05/18/17 04:46 PM
Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not?
[Re: Dnj]
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 Actually, there was a Samson and Goliath story, but they were TV cartoon characters if I recall. Donny, maybe you are thinking about Samson and Delilah, the mythical biblical characters. As for the keys and vocal processor, Donny, as I stated above, if Yamaha tried to please everyone, including YOU, they would soon be out of business. I, for one, have always been very happy with every keyboard I've owned, and at the time, would not have changed a thing. When they came out with new stuff, I frequently kept using what I had because it was working just fine and continued to make money. Gary
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